lane
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Post by lane on Jan 14, 2010 9:04:47 GMT -6
Patrick my car fits nicely into red bracket racing and I'm not trying to make any rule changes to fit PCA or any other series. I'm trying to head off a possible loss of cars in "OUR" class. Go to Mylaps.com and check it for yourself, I'm not blowin people away in this class.
Enjoy your time at the front because when those guys get sorted out your going to have to start spending money to stay there.
Melan45 I didn't see on Mylaps where a Miata broke into the 23's at CGB. Where did this info come from?
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Post by turbot on Jan 14, 2010 9:29:01 GMT -6
times...shmimez. who can brag about their times when mitch's breaking miata track records 1:23.00. now that is something to brag about. carver broke the 1:23 barrier...all causes for a round of applause. a large portion of our personal best can be attributed to weather conditions. LOL, yeah Clint....times. In bracket, Henry Carter went 1.22 in a 3100 lb 944S2 w 208 crank. Conditions played a huge part I'm sure but that's part of the argument Lane's making against the 2 X breakout. T |
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Post by turbot on Jan 14, 2010 9:35:12 GMT -6
Again it starts to sound more and more like you guys are trying to make pca rule cars fit nicely into Winning a bracket class - that's not what we offer. It's really THIS SIMPLE: if you can't hit the target time for the class save your money and detune the car or add weight to drop class. I also argued that our rules and penalties for breakout are fine the way they are now. No reason to force a bump. I think you guys ought to start catering your cars to meet the rules as opposed to vice versa. Furthermore, T,your comments about who my car should be competing against are showing your nievity. It has held off 6.0l cars, tube chasis panoz, 3.6l porsches (which by all rights could weigh less than my car), a slew of m3's, minis etc. So, are you Still knocking my driving skill? If so I would be very glad to take any co-driver challenge any day you'd like. Patrick No....I'm not trying to bend rule to PCA.....they don't have a spec tire. And no, I'm not knocking your driving skills. I don't want to drive anybody else' car re. any kind of challenge, that's why I offered you the free 944 body. I can probably round you up an engine too. Come on and race with us in the second biggest group out there, 944s at PCA weight/spec and we'll see what's up. T |
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Post by melan45 on Jan 14, 2010 11:12:54 GMT -6
Patrick my car fits nicely into red bracket racing and I'm not trying to make any rule changes to fit PCA or any other series. I'm trying to head off a possible loss of cars in "OUR" class. Go to Mylaps.com and check it for yourself, I'm not blowin people away in this class. Enjoy your time at the front because when those guys get sorted out your going to have to start spending money to stay there. Melan45 I didn't see on Mylaps where a Miata broke into the 23's at CGB. Where did this info come from? melan45 = clint melancon red nissan sentra 1:24.00 is close enough. www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1378891 |
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troym
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Post by troym on Jan 14, 2010 11:54:05 GMT -6
No....I'm not trying to bend rule to PCA.....they don't have a spec tire. And no, I'm not knocking your driving skills. I don't want to drive anybody else' car re. any kind of challenge, that's why I offered you the free 944 body. I can probably round you up an engine too. Come on and race with us in the second biggest group out there, 944s at PCA weight/spec and we'll see what's up. T If the opportunity ever arose during a lapping day, I'd be willing to swap rides for a session to see what the 944 experience is all about, seriously. |
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troym
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Post by troym on Jan 14, 2010 12:06:14 GMT -6
As far as the spec tire debate goes, I'll go on record saying I'm against it. I like the run what you brung philosophy of the brackets.
If the race committee is considering implementing a breakout - move class rule, I think there has to be some allowance for what I would call legitimate occasional breakouts that have happened over the history of the series in the heat of competition, in ideal conditions, etc. This is different than someone throwing down consistent 22 - 23's and trying to stay in brackets. Maybe there could be something like a half second allowance where the existing breakout rule stays in effect.
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 14, 2010 13:29:22 GMT -6
It's nice to see things returning to normal around here with Andy busting T's chops. There's been way to much harmony between you 2 over the past few weeks.  Andy's day of reckoning is drawing near and he's getting a bit nervous is all. Sooner or later, he'll have to run the #3 car and see if he measures up to 3-time lapping day DE'er turned racer, Paul Burch's shoes. As for me....., I'm fine. The car I'm driving hadn't been faster than a 1.27 in the last year the previous driver ran it. I'm close to 2 seconds quicker than that in the same car and haven't even opened the hood except for oil changes.... ;D T I already know that I'm slower than Burch. He's a natural. He has pro-level consistency and he's fast. A true anomaly. |
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Post by turbot on Jan 14, 2010 13:34:01 GMT -6
No....I'm not trying to bend rule to PCA.....they don't have a spec tire. And no, I'm not knocking your driving skills. I don't want to drive anybody else' car re. any kind of challenge, that's why I offered you the free 944 body. I can probably round you up an engine too. Come on and race with us in the second biggest group out there, 944s at PCA weight/spec and we'll see what's up. T If the opportunity ever arose during a lapping day, I'd be willing to swap rides for a session to see what the 944 experience is all about, seriously. Troy, if I could arrange this, it'd happen. T |
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Post by turbot on Jan 14, 2010 13:46:54 GMT -6
As far as the spec tire debate goes, I'll go on record saying I'm against it. I like the run what you brung philosophy of the brackets. If the race committee is considering implementing a breakout - move class rule, I think there has to be some allowance for what I would call legitimate occasional breakouts that have happened over the history of the series in the heat of competition, in ideal conditions, etc. This is different than someone throwing down consistent 22 - 23's and trying to stay in brackets. Maybe there could be something like a half second allowance where the existing breakout rule stays in effect. The 1/2 second allowance sounds pretty good. Being that there are a number of tires with .500-1.0 second advantage over anything I have ever run at CGB going back to the 09 Charity race..., I figure that with a good set of tires and a small increase in commitment around a lap, even I'd have the potential to break out of the current 1.24 format. Eon's not that far off, Lane and Gary have both done it (on weekends other than this last one) and Chris W. ran 3 consecutive laps under the break out in the previous event's feature in his first time out in the new 944. Definitely not easy or cruising.....you have to push a 944 hard to run a 1.24-1.25 but it does happen and to me, it doesn't make sense that a 1980 technology 2.5 liter 8V car hampered by minimum weight (again, most cars double duty as PCA racers) should be forced out of bracket and into the 3.0 liter niche class where the cars and competitors are protected by displacement rules. This is all I have to say on this topic for now. T |
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944racer
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Post by 944racer on Jan 14, 2010 13:54:03 GMT -6
Remember this all came about because there is talk of bumping a car to the next class if said car breaks out twice in one year. Which is very doable for me and a number of other people in red bracket if weather conditions are right. There are some cars that are going to break out on a regular basis if the driver really tries to drive the car. So rather than lose cars to a higher class I would rather see an affordable spec tire be put in place such as Toyo that will possibly keep the times up and costs down. I'm a big fan of low cost racing and I guarantee you there are more out there that would agree with this philosphy. I'm sure someone else will chime in here on this so please do. Also I would like to state that I have been racing this series since 2003. The series has changed its name a few times and rules have changed but there are a few of us that have hung with it. I imagine that we will see a bunch of ya'll come and go to do something bigger and better. So have fun! Wow! What a great read! This thread is the best entertainment I've had all week! Lane, I agree 100%. But I don't see where there is an either/or situation here. Spec tires equals equipment rules. Bracket racing was developed to 'drive what you brung'...period end of statement. My best time ever before Sunday was 1:24.9 on a day I just latched on to Lane and held on a couple of years ago. The weather had everything to do with my breakout time of 1:23.4 and it will probably never happen again. BUT, if it did, I would sure hate to have to race in a group where I had no chance to compete. Not only would the brackets lose a car, the series would lose a car, driver and supporter.I really hope that this rule change will wait until the season is over, and have the proper debate and vote with the series race committee. As an asside, besides not being close to competitve in GT, I don't like the one race format. Two races is more than twice the fun. Screw up and you've got another race to make up for it. As for the fun stuff...what a fun day all around! Eon, you have arrived dude! And T wouldn't be far behind if he weren't driving the remnants of Frankie. But pound for pound, horse to horse, tire to tire, Lane is the man! Not only can he drive, he makes his car wide without blocking. I hope I'm still with you when the weather heats up 'cause that was a blast! |
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nine44s
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Post by nine44s on Jan 14, 2010 16:37:24 GMT -6
Remember this all came about because there is talk of bumping a car to the next class if said car breaks out twice in one year. Which is very doable for me and a number of other people in red bracket if weather conditions are right. There are some cars that are going to break out on a regular basis if the driver really tries to drive the car. So rather than lose cars to a higher class I would rather see an affordable spec tire be put in place such as Toyo that will possibly keep the times up and costs down. I'm a big fan of low cost racing and I guarantee you there are more out there that would agree with this philosphy. I'm sure someone else will chime in here on this so please do. Also I would like to state that I have been racing this series since 2003. The series has changed its name a few times and rules have changed but there are a few of us that have hung with it. I imagine that we will see a bunch of ya'll come and go to do something bigger and better. So have fun! Wow! What a great read! This thread is the best entertainment I've had all week! Lane, I agree 100%. But I don't see where there is an either/or situation here. Spec tires equals equipment rules. Bracket racing was developed to 'drive what you brung'...period end of statement. My best time ever before Sunday was 1:24.9 on a day I just latched on to Lane and held on a couple of years ago. The weather had everything to do with my breakout time of 1:23.4 and it will probably never happen again. BUT, if it did, I would sure hate to have to race in a group where I had no chance to compete. Not only would the brackets lose a car, the series would lose a car, driver and supporter.I really hope that this rule change will wait until the season is over, and have the proper debate and vote with the series race committee. As an asside, besides not being close to competitve in GT, I don't like the one race format. Two races is more than twice the fun. Screw up and you've got another race to make up for it. As for the fun stuff...what a fun day all around! Eon, you have arrived dude! And T wouldn't be far behind if he weren't driving the remnants of Frankie. But pound for pound, horse to horse, tire to tire, Lane is the man! Not only can he drive, he makes his car wide without blocking. I hope I'm still with you when the weather heats up 'cause that was a blast! Thanks! I look forward to trying to repeat next time, I had fun running with you guys up front ;D |
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Post by Walt on Jan 14, 2010 18:00:22 GMT -6
I really hope that this rule change will wait until the season is over, and have the proper debate and vote with the series race committee. I too hope that this is properly debated and any changes voted upon be made once the season is over. I'm not a big fan of changing the rules mid-season either. I had a great time this past weekend. Considering my car wouldn't start and I missed the warm up session, I still had a blast. I want to thank Ed, T, Paul, Gary, Eon & Lane for their help in getting my car running in time for qualifying. It is great how everyone chipped in to isolate the problem and locate a spare part from a fellow racer. Everyone's generosity is very much appreciated and will not be forgotten. |
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944racer
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Post by 944racer on Jan 14, 2010 18:03:04 GMT -6
I really hope that this rule change will wait until the season is over, and have the proper debate and vote with the series race committee. I too hope that this is properly debated and any changes voted upon be made once the season is over. I'm not a big fan of changing the rules mid-season either. I had a great time this past weekend. Considering my car wouldn't start and I missed the warm up session, I still had a blast. I want to thank Ed, T, Paul, Gary, Eon & Lane for their help in getting my car running in time for qualifying. It is great how everyone chipped in to isolate the problem and locate a spare part from a fellow racer. Everyone's generosity is very much appreciated and will not be forgotten. Yeah...well once you start beating us all that !@#$ is forgotten ;D |
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Post by Walt on Jan 14, 2010 20:09:52 GMT -6
I too hope that this is properly debated and any changes voted upon be made once the season is over. I'm not a big fan of changing the rules mid-season either. I had a great time this past weekend. Considering my car wouldn't start and I missed the warm up session, I still had a blast. I want to thank Ed, T, Paul, Gary, Eon & Lane for their help in getting my car running in time for qualifying. It is great how everyone chipped in to isolate the problem and locate a spare part from a fellow racer. Everyone's generosity is very much appreciated and will not be forgotten. Yeah...well once you start beating us all that !@#$ is forgotten ;D I guess I better go faster! |
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lane
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Post by lane on Jan 15, 2010 9:06:27 GMT -6
Thanks for the comment Gary. I knew if I screwed up and you got by me you would be GONE!
Like I said before the spec tire issue is in regards to the possible rule change of moving up a class if you breakout twice in a year. Otherwise its really fine with me the way it is. I think the GT field probably would grow larger if they raced more too.
I'm certain any rule changes would go into effect at the next regular season.
Lookin for a bigger motor!
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