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Post by hpmowog on Jan 13, 2010 8:41:48 GMT -6
I don't think spec tires are the answer in the bracket classes. It would pretty much abandon the original "run what you brung" philosophy of the bracket classes.
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Post by melan45 on Jan 13, 2010 8:49:57 GMT -6
if your car is too fast run harder tire compound and\or add x amount of weight...it’s that simple. There is no need to make us run the same tires. if there are stricter rules about breakout i think the racers on the edge will be more cautious and aware of conditions and make changes. most of the guys breaking out are savvy enough and have enough experience at cgb to know when it’s time to make changes. we all have enough time at this track to know how weather effects our cars\times. if its below 60 degree and below and humidity is around 50% my car is going to be potentially a .5+ a lap faster. i know there is not a general formula for every car to follow because all factors are slightly different. i have been taking notes on track conditions and how it relates to tires and lap times for the last two years and i can tell you how my car will somewhat react. lane you and i have hung with these cars and have stayed in front on many occasions if nothing changes i am fine and personally i like the challenges of being an underdog.
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Post by lane on Jan 13, 2010 8:58:19 GMT -6
Hmmph... guess I need to get a bigger engine.
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Post by troym on Jan 13, 2010 9:16:04 GMT -6
Hmmph... guess I need to get a bigger engine. Ha! Try peddling around with a 1.6 liter - 125hp motor and trying to keep up with the red bracket front runners. Hmm....I do know where a motor that has almost double that hp that will drop right in is sitting around collecting dust if I really want to go fast.
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Post by lane on Jan 13, 2010 9:23:57 GMT -6
Know what you mean Troy! #92 car Porsche 944 with a whoppin 129 rear wheel hp with no limited slip on 1 1/2 yr. old wore out Hoosiers!! Just trying to get by.
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Post by turbot on Jan 13, 2010 9:34:36 GMT -6
i am fine and personally i like the challenges of being an underdog. I just like the starts..... ;D T
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Post by turbot on Jan 13, 2010 9:37:14 GMT -6
Know what you mean Troy! #92 car Porsche 944 with a whoppin 129 rear wheel hp with no limited slip on 1 1/2 yr. old wore out Hoosiers!! Just trying to get by. Hee hee heeeeeee.......! Don't make me start a list of equipment shortcomings..... ;D T
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Post by melan45 on Jan 13, 2010 10:17:34 GMT -6
Know what you mean Troy! #92 car Porsche 944 with a whoppin 129 rear wheel hp with no limited slip on 1 1/2 yr. old wore out Hoosiers!! Just trying to get by. Hee hee heeeeeee.......! Don't make me start a list of equipment shortcomings..... ;D T we all have some sort of shortcummings and i am in total control of my shortcummings. i started bringing my lunches to work and switched to basic cable just to help with my shortcummings. new tires for charity 2010 baby!!
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Post by melan45 on Jan 13, 2010 10:24:07 GMT -6
Know what you mean Troy! #92 car Porsche 944 with a whoppin 129 rear wheel hp with no limited slip on 1 1/2 yr. old wore out Hoosiers!! Just trying to get by. by the way, i heard the car dyno'd a whopping 140 couple weeks ago. not that it makes to much of a difference.
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Post by lane on Jan 13, 2010 10:35:04 GMT -6
Ha! My car #92? Not hardly Paul and I dynoed this thing a couple a months ago at a shop across the street from his. 129 rear wheel hp straight out of the header. I don't doubt you heard that I have been accused of having a turbo motor in that car. As a matter of a fact it only makes 140 hp at the crank.
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Post by melan45 on Jan 13, 2010 11:11:38 GMT -6
Ha! My car #92? Not hardly Paul and I dynoed this thing a couple a months ago at a shop across the street from his. 129 rear wheel hp straight out of the header. I don't doubt you heard that I have been accused of having a turbo motor in that car. As a matter of a fact it only makes 140 hp at the crank. that's where that number came from...i just hear numbers not where its measured. i enjoy racing with you so just go buy some new tires. this is where carver normally says, "i just want to go fast".
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 13, 2010 11:16:28 GMT -6
"2) Spec tires don't seem like the answer either for a "bracket" class where "welcome to racing" is the philosphy. If someone wants to run the cheapest tires they can find to race, then that should be thier option and bracket class is the place for that." So why don't we make Toyo tires a spec tire? Or have a contingency program from someone like Toyo? Bracket classes are supposed to be an affordable race class but from what I have seen lately its gotten to where if your gonna be competitive you better have Motons, Ledas, new Hoosiers and serious hp to run in red. My car has absolutely NONE of these parts on it and could take the GT2 trophy this year. Look at this list: Wheels: 16 x 7.5 mustang wheels front, and 16 x 8 RX-7 wheels rear. Tires: Hankook Z214 C70 compound in 225, and 255. On closeout for $85 each so I bought a dozen of them. They are NOT Hoosiers, nor on the level as V710 or BFG R1 or even RA1. Coilovers: Tein from Japan off of Ebay - used. 3kg/mm front and 5 kg/mm rear. That's 167# and 280# - nothing crazy by any means. Swaybar: stock rear, ST front w/ reinforcement plates Motor: Stock complete motor and turbo, except for forged pistons, valve springs, and headstuds. 262 whp, 255 tq. Programmable ECU and EBay intercooler. Ebay downpipe also and a turndown for exhaust. Weight: Big time weight reduction. Lots of elbow grease and some fiberglass. without me in it is 2275#. Fastest lap is 1:20.6 So, that being said, why should I not be allowed to run these tires? Or take offs even? I agree the track should get tires at a discount to help who they can, but bracket is not the place for a spec tire. If I wanted to get street tires and come run brackets, I should be allowed to barring my car doesn't break out during the race. Patrick
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Post by troym on Jan 13, 2010 11:37:23 GMT -6
Know what you mean Troy! #92 car Porsche 944 with a whoppin 129 rear wheel hp with no limited slip on 1 1/2 yr. old wore out Hoosiers!! Just trying to get by. Lane, I'd be happy to have any hp at my rear wheels. Maybe with Carver's mad fabrication skills and that spare engine we could make that happen.
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Post by turbot on Jan 13, 2010 11:40:43 GMT -6
"2) Spec tires don't seem like the answer either for a "bracket" class where "welcome to racing" is the philosphy. If someone wants to run the cheapest tires they can find to race, then that should be thier option and bracket class is the place for that." So why don't we make Toyo tires a spec tire? Or have a contingency program from someone like Toyo? Bracket classes are supposed to be an affordable race class but from what I have seen lately its gotten to where if your gonna be competitive you better have Motons, Ledas, new Hoosiers and serious hp to run in red. My car has absolutely NONE of these parts on it and could take the GT2 trophy this year. Look at this list: Wheels: 16 x 7.5 mustang wheels front, and 16 x 8 RX-7 wheels rear. Tires: Hankook Z214 C70 compound in 225, and 255. On closeout for $85 each so I bought a dozen of them. They are NOT Hoosiers, nor on the level as V710 or BFG R1 or even RA1. Coilovers: Tein from Japan off of Ebay - used. 3kg/mm front and 5 kg/mm rear. That's 167# and 280# - nothing crazy by any means. Swaybar: stock rear, ST front w/ reinforcement plates Motor: Stock complete motor and turbo, except for forged pistons, valve springs, and headstuds. 262 whp, 255 tq. Programmable ECU and EBay intercooler. Ebay downpipe also and a turndown for exhaust. Weight: Big time weight reduction. Lots of elbow grease and some fiberglass. without me in it is 2275#. Fastest lap is 1:20.6 So, that being said, why should I not be allowed to run these tires? Or take offs even? I agree the track should get tires at a discount to help who they can, but bracket is not the place for a spec tire. If I wanted to get street tires and come run brackets, I should be allowed to barring my car doesn't break out during the race. Patrick Dude....with all those mods, you should be faster than you are...., ;D T
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Post by turbot on Jan 13, 2010 11:42:27 GMT -6
Know what you mean Troy! #92 car Porsche 944 with a whoppin 129 rear wheel hp with no limited slip on 1 1/2 yr. old wore out Hoosiers!! Just trying to get by. Lane, I'd be happy to have any hp at my rear wheels. Maybe with Carver's mad fabrication skills and that spare engine we could make that happen. LOL, if Lane's makin' a buck twenty nine at the rear wheel, I'm probably somewhere in the 95-105 bhp range... T
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