lane
I just want to go fast!
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 7:41:35 GMT -6
Post by lane on Mar 5, 2010 7:41:35 GMT -6
competition is TIGHT in Red Bracket!!
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 8:44:45 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 5, 2010 8:44:45 GMT -6
Hey T Is that the old chick motor that Phil rebuilt? Just run it 'til it blows..you know...like Phil ;D Yup, that's the one. It's Phil's impatience to not wait a couple of days on the + size rings, not his inability to build the engine right that makes this engine weak. I helped him with it....the ring gap was 2X the max allowable tolerance and he wanted to just assemble it anyway. T
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944racer
I just want to go fast!
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 8:47:57 GMT -6
Post by 944racer on Mar 5, 2010 8:47:57 GMT -6
competition is TIGHT in Red Bracket!! Sounds like you're gonna be tighlipped about #92. Guess I'll have to bust into Paul's garage with a camera
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944racer
I just want to go fast!
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 8:52:50 GMT -6
Post by 944racer on Mar 5, 2010 8:52:50 GMT -6
Hey T Is that the old chick motor that Phil rebuilt? Just run it 'til it blows..you know...like Phil ;D Yup, that's the one. It's Phil's impatience to not wait a couple of days on the + size rings, not his inability to build the engine right that makes this engine weak. I helped him with it....the ring gap was 2X the max allowable tolerance and he wanted to just assemble it anyway. T Those of us wanna be mechanics shouldn't be throwing stones, but Phil does have an interesting track record with blown engines...just sayin' Phil. Speaking of which, my summer project is to rebuild an '84 944 motor and put it into the '90 Cabriolet I got for the motor on the blue car. I'll probably need lots of advice and maybe necessitate a road trip to Natchez at some point if you're game.
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 8:56:58 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 5, 2010 8:56:58 GMT -6
At the speeds you ran in the rain, his aero did squat. He just plain out-drove everyone. Maybe you should Google his name. Put ARRC behind it. Become enlightened. LOL, Andy, I know who/what Gary R. can do. He's been competition to Lane, Gary Small and Phil long before you ever met him or came around the track. On your second point......, yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars go into R & D on a freakin Tour de France race suit and helmet, a downhill skier's safety gear or a bobsled aero profile, some of which might never see over 45 mph. They could have saved a ton of cash if they had just check with you first.... Last bit.....and I know this is gonna bust you and Matt's tire theory, and I was willing to let that slide in that particular thread....but if you run into Rebstock this weekend and ask him, he'll credit the narrow tires (by comparison to the competition) as the reason he did comparatively well in the wet.....just as he told me when he got out of the car. I'll try and set up a 'Turbo-T' search engine in case you need to know something else since Google is obviously failing you.... T
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 8:59:11 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 5, 2010 8:59:11 GMT -6
Yup, that's the one. It's Phil's impatience to not wait a couple of days on the + size rings, not his inability to build the engine right that makes this engine weak. I helped him with it....the ring gap was 2X the max allowable tolerance and he wanted to just assemble it anyway. T Those of us wanna be mechanics shouldn't be throwing stones, but Phil does have an interesting track record with blown engines...just sayin' Phil. Speaking of which, my summer project is to rebuild an '84 944 motor and put it into the '90 Cabriolet I got for the motor on the blue car. I'll probably need lots of advice and maybe necessitate a road trip to Natchez at some point if you're game. Hee hee, no worries, Phil don't hang out here... Hey....., cigars and Bailey's and I'm there..... T
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 10:58:38 GMT -6
Post by harrisracing on Mar 5, 2010 10:58:38 GMT -6
At the speeds you ran in the rain, his aero did squat. He just plain out-drove everyone. Maybe you should Google his name. Put ARRC behind it. Become enlightened. LOL, Andy, I know who/what Gary R. can do. He's been competition to Lane, Gary Small and Phil long before you ever met him or came around the track. On your second point......, yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars go into R & D on a freakin Tour de France race suit and helmet, a downhill skier's safety gear or a bobsled aero profile, some of which might never see over 45 mph. They could have saved a ton of cash if they had just check with you first.... Last bit.....and I know this is gonna bust you and Matt's tire theory, and I was willing to let that slide in that particular thread....but if you run into Rebstock this weekend and ask him, he'll credit the narrow tires (by comparison to the competition) as the reason he did comparatively well in the wet.....just as he told me when he got out of the car. I'll try and set up a 'Turbo-T' search engine in case you need to know something else since Google is obviously failing you.... T So what's your explanation of my car's success? I posted THE FASTEST LAP of all the production cars in the rain by 5 seconds on VERY wide and VERY soft compound full slicks. A LARGE part of it is more weight being over the driven tires in both of these cars. Also rain race tires are usually much softer and heat up faster than non rains...and often will die fast if the track dries during the session. Patrick
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ccarver
I just want to go fast!
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 13:04:09 GMT -6
Post by ccarver on Mar 5, 2010 13:04:09 GMT -6
Here we go again. Gary R was on the same size tire as me. and I turned 3 seconds faster lap times than him. AND his tire was a groved tire for the rain. I was on a full slick. But hey, all the kids that can drive are already here so have fun. See you kids track side this weekend. Carver
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 14:00:01 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 5, 2010 14:00:01 GMT -6
LOL, Andy, I know who/what Gary R. can do. He's been competition to Lane, Gary Small and Phil long before you ever met him or came around the track. On your second point......, yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars go into R & D on a freakin Tour de France race suit and helmet, a downhill skier's safety gear or a bobsled aero profile, some of which might never see over 45 mph. They could have saved a ton of cash if they had just check with you first.... Last bit.....and I know this is gonna bust you and Matt's tire theory, and I was willing to let that slide in that particular thread....but if you run into Rebstock this weekend and ask him, he'll credit the narrow tires (by comparison to the competition) as the reason he did comparatively well in the wet.....just as he told me when he got out of the car. I'll try and set up a 'Turbo-T' search engine in case you need to know something else since Google is obviously failing you.... T So what's your explanation of my car's success? I posted THE FASTEST LAP of all the production cars in the rain by 5 seconds on VERY wide and VERY soft compound full slicks. A LARGE part of it is more weight being over the driven tires in both of these cars. Also rain race tires are usually much softer and heat up faster than non rains...and often will die fast if the track dries during the session. Patrick Uh, I don't have any explanation for your car, I'm afraid to get close to it.... ;D But, this bit - "A LARGE part of it is more weight being over the driven tires in both of these cars" is agreeing with what I said in the other thread. In that case though, if the weight is a known quantity, narrow tires would be better. T
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 14:37:20 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 5, 2010 14:37:20 GMT -6
Here we go again. Gary R was on the same size tire as me. and I turned 3 seconds faster lap times than him. AND his tire was a groved tire for the rain. I was on a full slick. But hey, all the kids that can drive are already here so have fun. See you kids track side this weekend. Carver Uh Carver.....pun fully intended but I hate to rain on your parade but you had had what....(?) 2 laps faster than Rebstock as the session was ending with GR in the lead and nothing to gain except to finish ....? He was 1, 3 and 4 seconds faster than you from the start when the water would have been the worst. Look, I don't care what argument y'all want to offer up.....same weight on an axle, the car with the narrower tire will have more weight displaced against a smaller cross section, thus, more grip.....it's just a fact. T
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944racer
I just want to go fast!
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 18:28:34 GMT -6
Post by 944racer on Mar 5, 2010 18:28:34 GMT -6
Here we go again. Gary R was on the same size tire as me. and I turned 3 seconds faster lap times than him. AND his tire was a groved tire for the rain. I was on a full slick. But hey, all the kids that can drive are already here so have fun. See you kids track side this weekend. Carver Uh Carver.....pun fully intended but I hate to rain on your parade but you had had what....(?) 2 laps faster than Rebstock as the session was ending with GR in the lead and nothing to gain except to finish ....? He was 1, 3 and 4 seconds faster than you from the start when the water would have been the worst. Look, I don't care what argument y'all want to offer up.....same weight on an axle, the car with the narrower tire will have more weight displaced against a smaller cross section, thus, more grip.....it's just a fact. T Man, I hate to get in the middle of a good debate...but what the hell. T, if you watch Walt's video you will see that Carver spent at least half the race in a four car cluster that he either couldn't break out of, or was having fun fooling around with. Once that broke up he moved up to me and passed me very quickly. Now, realize I suck in the rain, but he was, at that time, runnng up on Rebstock and I don't think anyone knows who would have been faster if they had of started side-by-side. So, as much as it pains me, I got to side with CC on this one Just my 2 cents...take it or leave it.
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Race 6
Mar 5, 2010 21:45:10 GMT -6
Post by Fast Guys on Mar 5, 2010 21:45:10 GMT -6
So we should be running narrower tires? All this time, I thought that a larger contact patch would increase the force required for a slide.
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Race 6
Mar 8, 2010 9:35:29 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 8, 2010 9:35:29 GMT -6
Uh Carver.....pun fully intended but I hate to rain on your parade but you had had what....(?) 2 laps faster than Rebstock as the session was ending with GR in the lead and nothing to gain except to finish ....? He was 1, 3 and 4 seconds faster than you from the start when the water would have been the worst. Look, I don't care what argument y'all want to offer up.....same weight on an axle, the car with the narrower tire will have more weight displaced against a smaller cross section, thus, more grip.....it's just a fact. T Man, I hate to get in the middle of a good debate...but what the hell. T, if you watch Walt's video you will see that Carver spent at least half the race in a four car cluster that he either couldn't break out of, or was having fun fooling around with. Once that broke up he moved up to me and passed me very quickly. Now, realize I suck in the rain, but he was, at that time, runnng up on Rebstock and I don't think anyone knows who would have been faster if they had of started side-by-side. So, as much as it pains me, I got to side with CC on this one Just my 2 cents...take it or leave it. Nah, you're right, I thought about what carver said later and it made sense. One of those rare instances where I posted too quick. My home pc is crashed so I'm usually on the work station. I get off at 4pm and had to take a parting shot at the last minute while I had a chance.... ;D T
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Race 6
Mar 8, 2010 9:40:30 GMT -6
Post by Fast Guys on Mar 8, 2010 9:40:30 GMT -6
T- you ran a good race yesterday. I don't want to hear any more whining about your bum engine. It looked like it worked fine to me.
It's a shame about Eon's radiator. You guys back in business for the Charity Challenge?
Also, I have a set of 245/50/15 R6's for sale. I will make a heck of a deal if anyone wants them. 75% rubber left. Good shape.
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Race 6
Mar 8, 2010 9:49:43 GMT -6
Post by turbot on Mar 8, 2010 9:49:43 GMT -6
So we should be running narrower tires? All this time, I thought that a larger contact patch would increase the force required for a slide. No, not really, we were talking about rain and slippery conditions. Actually, I'd think that on a dusty/sandy track, a grooved, narrower tire might be handy to have mounted too because the debris that would normally be between the tire and road surface would have a channel to dissipate. Me and Eon used to race 60-70mph nitro AWD sedans and found that the grooved radials worked better than slicks on dirty surfaces there too. I know Andy, you think it's a world of difference but I tell you, with a box of variable springs and sway bars, billet suspension pieces, ride height adjustable billet shocks, different shock oil weights, etc., etc., the adjusaibility of a top shelf scale RC car can teach you alot about setup and the affects of changes. Needless to say....out of a group of around 15 people that raced with us.....we dominated every outing.... ;D Oh....last bit on this topic before we revitalize the Race 6 discussion. Ever look at the width of the tires on a World Rally car....? Lane - you missed a good one. Perfect weather and close competition made for a great weekend. Carver - sorry you were sick and missed out, I'll holler soon about the trans. Thanks for whoever pushed Dennis and Henry into breaking out that landed me in 4th for the feature finish.... I touched on this with Patrick shortly in passing but I wasn't too enthusiastic about running this weekend......missed practice because I had to pick up a grease cap for the front spindle that I had forget flew off last time but when I heard the "greasy", "slippery" comments about the conditions from the drivers after practice, I knew I made the right choice in coming to the event. For some reason, when everybody agrees that the track is slippery, I do well.... T
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