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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 21, 2010 14:27:56 GMT -6
But it is a race. On the upside, I would imagine that the novices will be a little reserved, but in the odd chance that you have somebody that's fired-up.... Don't get me wrong; I like the idea and I'm sure I'm not bringing up anything that Ken and crew haven't thought of. I should have just left it alone. My bad. I wish I could be there, but I am going to the Spanish Town Mardi Gras Ball the night before and I doubt I'll be up in time. You guys have fun and be safe. has your definition of racing changed? you had a battle back with t on the dissimilarities of race\de. i agree with you there are differences, but for you to say a solo event is a race now i am baffled. i think the event equates to a modified lapping day that's really cheap. i could see more competition on lapping days with 5-7 new drivers in a green group. i think the level of intensity (aka adrenaline) will be lowered with only 2 cars at a time with say a drag strip apart. make a strict rule that if they go off course more than once they are done for the day. Did you read the original post? It's a competition.
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 21, 2010 14:30:56 GMT -6
You get an A plus for being able to read!!!! You get a C for quote-posting. But I like Men so it is ok. I like ass and I ate a baby. This is really going down hill, now.
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 21, 2010 16:36:26 GMT -6
has your definition of racing changed? you had a battle back with t on the dissimilarities of race\de. i agree with you there are differences, but for you to say a solo event is a race now i am baffled. i think the event equates to a modified lapping day that's really cheap. i could see more competition on lapping days with 5-7 new drivers in a green group. i think the level of intensity (aka adrenaline) will be lowered with only 2 cars at a time with say a drag strip apart. make a strict rule that if they go off course more than once they are done for the day. Did you read the original post? It's a competition. Andy, we see your point and by all rights it "IS" a competition, BUT it is a lot safer than what we do in the form of wheel-to-wheel racing. IMO it's a lot safer than a lapping day as well because you won't have a chance for car-to-car contact or a missed yellow flag, etc. That bring said, it IS racing and it IS dangerous and anything can happen. Your comments have made many people think about the safety of an event with lots of Rookies, so thank you, but I don't think that we should not entertain such events at our track with rookies because if that didn't happen, it would be tough to get any new members. Patrick
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 21, 2010 17:17:25 GMT -6
Did you read the original post? It's a competition. Andy, we see your point and by all rights it "IS" a competition, BUT it is a lot safer than what we do in the form of wheel-to-wheel racing. IMO it's a lot safer than a lapping day as well because you won't have a chance for car-to-car contact or a missed yellow flag, etc. That bring said, it IS racing and it IS dangerous and anything can happen. Your comments have made many people think about the safety of an event with lots of Rookies, so thank you, but I don't think that we should not entertain such events at our track with rookies because if that didn't happen, it would be tough to get any new members. Patrick I agree that it is much safer than racing, especially with some of our drivers ( ). I am not concerned about the novice factor, but more so about the lack of safety gear required. I understand the catch 22: You want to attract new blood so you allow street cars to run without the safety equipment required to race. That's normally fine as the novices are stuck in non-passing groups and are held to a certain pace. I just see a potential issue with setting those same guys loose and telling them, "You have three laps. Make them count." I like racing at CGB and I want to be able to do so in the future. That's all I'm saying, if you get my drift.
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Post by 944racer on Jan 21, 2010 17:35:00 GMT -6
I gotta agree with Andy on this one. I've instructed some guys who've had a couple of auto-cross days and think they can run the track balls out. If I weren't in the car to slow them down and curb the testasterone, they'd be in a wall.
But if the guys who know the limits of their liability are ok with it...
BTW - Where's the porn ;D
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Post by teamfourllc on Jan 21, 2010 19:17:14 GMT -6
I'm kinda torn in two on this one. Most of me thinks this is really cool and a great way to stoke interest in the track.
The realistic side of me is apprehensive about the idea. Comparing this to a quasi-autocross event is silly. In autocross there is hardly anything to hit, and the speeds are held to 60 mph or less (well in theory). I have real misgivings about some novice kid in a WRX thinking he can take turn one at 105mph like a Spec Miata and not making the corner; without a cage in the car.
How about putting a couple of Chicago boxes on the straight?
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Post by robbiepoupart on Jan 21, 2010 19:52:02 GMT -6
I think just the simple fact of having a "competition style" event is much safer than a "lapping day", for the simple fact that you are gonna get the right group of people to show up because it is a competiton, it will typically shy away the guys with no experience, simple fact it look at how many won't autocross cuz they are nervous or worried they will mess something up. But by putting the "lapping day" title as the event you get guys who show up thinking they are coming out to ride around and then see that they are getting to go fast and gettin into something way over their head and typically end up making mistakes. On a side note I think some of the more "serious accidents" have happen during "lapping days" and "parade laps" rather than the "competition" events at Circuit Grand Bayou.
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 22, 2010 5:58:06 GMT -6
Robbie, you're right about having more serious incidents during lapping days, but we haven't, to my knowledge, ever had a Time Trial/Solo 1 event at this track aside from One Lap and those guys know what they are getting into.
Also, when you change from a lapping day to a Time Trial, you change the classification of the event from a DE to a Competition/Race. That changes the way insurance and probably the court views any incident that occurs. Considering McDonald's can be successfully sued over not telling somebody that their coffee is hot, I would imagine that the courts would have a similar opinion that the track has a responsibility to save people, especially young people, from their own actions.
I don't think we can bank on the idea of the event only drawing a certain crowd. With the low cost for track access, I would imagine you will draw some novices.
I am excited about the future of CGB so, in turn, I would naturally speak up about an event that could cause potential problems for the track. The quickest way to limit the track's growth is to the company in a lawsuit over something that is avoidable. Just make sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Post by kapat12724 on Jan 22, 2010 7:15:33 GMT -6
Not sure where I see myself in this mix. Although I cannot speak from seasoned experience in this arena, from my limited experience as a novice, I see valid points/concerns on both sides. I would like to, but am questioning whether or not this is an event I should participate in, or not. ? Obviously, I don't have the "testosterone" issue of a novice who thinks he's a pro (and will attempt to drive like one), after one track or autocross experience. If anything, I feel like I am still mostly conservative, ever so aware of the potential dangers, and those of which my limited experience may pose. Add to the mix that I'm driving a completely different car now, and have had only one track experience with it. I feel the need for some instructor time with the Miata, before taking it out on the track alone again. I am also conscious of the fact that I am probably not as much fun to drive with on the track (competitively), as an experienced driver. At the same time that I want you guys to have the optimum driving experience at an event, I need/want track experience. I truly understand your concerns about having a novice on the track, without the same safety equipment, etc., and I don't want to be that guy ("girl"), ruining that experience for you, just because I'm a novice, and present more of a risk factor. I see that is a concern that many of you have. If anything, from what I've seen at CGB, the guys running the show exercise an abundance of caution, and enforce their rules. I love driving at the track, and have a blast every time, which is what "drove" me (yes, pun intended!), to buy a Miata, and keeps me going back. Karen
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Post by turbot on Jan 22, 2010 7:54:08 GMT -6
Well....., as far as I can see, so far, Kent, Chris and Carver are batting 1000 every step of the way since the change of ownership.
2009 was a great year and went off without a hitch even with wheelie riding stunt riders right in the paddock.
I'm sure they have weighed all possibilities....the "juice vs. the squeeze" as Andy put it.
The course and the race series has been around quite a few years and, IMO, there needs to be fresh ideas to jump start interest or it'll just stay stagnant instead of on a path for growth.
On top of that.....I'd like to, if for nothing else, go on the record as being in disagreement with Andy.... ;D
T
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 22, 2010 9:25:45 GMT -6
Not sure where I see myself in this mix. Although I cannot speak from seasoned experience in this arena, from my limited experience as a novice, I see valid points/concerns on both sides. I would like to, but am questioning whether or not this is an event I should participate in, or not. ? Obviously, I don't have the "testosterone" issue of a novice who thinks he's a pro (and will attempt to drive like one), after one track or autocross experience. If anything, I feel like I am still mostly conservative, ever so aware of the potential dangers, and those of which my limited experience may pose. Add to the mix that I'm driving a completely different car now, and have had only one track experience with it. I feel the need for some instructor time with the Miata, before taking it out on the track alone again. I am also conscious of the fact that I am probably not as much fun to drive with on the track (competitively), as an experienced driver. At the same time that I want you guys to have the optimum driving experience at an event, I need/want track experience. I truly understand your concerns about having a novice on the track, without the same safety equipment, etc., and I don't want to be that guy ("girl"), ruining that experience for you, just because I'm a novice, and present more of a risk factor. I see that is a concern that many of you have. If anything, from what I've seen at CGB, the guys running the show exercise an abundance of caution, and enforce their rules. I love driving at the track, and have a blast every time, which is what "drove" me (yes, pun intended!), to buy a Miata, and keeps me going back. Karen By all means, go to the event. Just be careful. I was referring to complete novices that may not respect the difference between speeding on the interstate and driving well on a race track. You have been receiving instruction and seem to be doing fine. Just respect your situation out there and improve little by little.
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Post by Flying Tiger on Jan 22, 2010 11:22:50 GMT -6
Not sure where I see myself in this mix. Although I cannot speak from seasoned experience in this arena, from my limited experience as a novice, I see valid points/concerns on both sides. I would like to, but am questioning whether or not this is an event I should participate in, or not. ? Karen
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Post by Flying Tiger on Jan 22, 2010 11:35:55 GMT -6
Oops, I meant to reply to Karen's post that she might not want to participate in the event. Karen, I personally think you should run that event because you have much more knowledge than some of the entrants will have. A lot of them will have never even run a roadcourse event. I have observed your driving last weekend in the Miata, and I am sure you are being very cautious not to over drive your abilities. As your confidence builds you should be able to go faster and faster. I am sure there will be drivers of all different levels, so you should be just fine on the track. Go for it! ;D
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Post by kapat12724 on Jan 22, 2010 15:30:52 GMT -6
THANKS! I've decided to go for it - but haven't decided whether to drive the BMW or the Miata.
K
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Post by racinmoose on Jan 23, 2010 7:08:51 GMT -6
Drive the Miata and go have some fun.
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