944racer
I just want to go fast!
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Post by 944racer on Jan 23, 2010 10:22:55 GMT -6
To paraphrase one of the PDC drivers we all know: I just want to go fast(er)! ;D We all learn at different rates and prefer different styles of learning. I don't knock anyone's preferred route to enlightenment. I personally welcome constructive criticism as long as it is given in the proper spirit. Not everyone may feel that way. Of course it is up to each person what they do with what they hear or learn from others (or read in a book). I know I have a ways to go in learning this craft and I know I am making progress every time I go on the track. I'm not fooling myself, I know I will never be running in a pro circuit making bunches of money. I am however, having an absolute blast when ever I go out on the track and enjoy the off track time also. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the track. Walt, you took the words right out of my keyboard
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Post by turbot on Jan 23, 2010 21:07:10 GMT -6
Dude, chill, it's only friendly banter but I tell you, if I see the book reference one more time I think my head is gonna explode. If you ran a search using the forum engine, I'd venture a guess that the terms 'Ross Bentley' or 'Speed Secrets' rank in the top three most used text here, right behind the words "a" and "the". Let me share a little of Eon's background with you. He took his first road race instruction at age 16, one on one, two day high performance driving school with the guy who designed and oversaw the construction of CGB. T Winston? That explains everything. Explains what Andy....? Lay it out there for me. You were playing in your sand box with a Tonka truck while Winston was dreaming of a road course. The first instructor that got out of Eon's passenger seat as I walked up to ask what they thought, was shaking his head saying that there was nothing else they could teach him. This is an argument for either the original direction he was set on at the beginning or his ability to self learn without any instruction, writings of a "mind coach" or serving duty as a parking lot cone fetcher. Which one do you think it is...? Don't paint yourself into a corner now. T
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Post by turbot on Jan 23, 2010 21:09:22 GMT -6
For the record too...., I stated already a few times that third party criticism is always welcomed,,,,it's the Jedi mind tricks I have a problem swallowing.
T
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 24, 2010 2:01:48 GMT -6
Winston? That explains everything. Explains what Andy....? Lay it out there for me. You were playing in your sand box with a Tonka truck while Winston was dreaming of a road course. The first instructor that got out of Eon's passenger seat as I walked up to ask what they thought, was shaking his head saying that there was nothing else they could teach him. This is an argument for either the original direction he was set on at the beginning or his ability to self learn without any instruction, writings of a "mind coach" or serving duty as a parking lot cone fetcher. Which one do you think it is...? Don't paint yourself into a corner now. T T, you are really reaching here. Andy and I both raced on the Lemons team with Winston. Same car, same exact days. Winston got out of his session of 40 laps with a best lap time of 1:35.9 with an average of 1:40.5. I then jumped right in the same car behind him and ran my 40 laps with a best time of 1:33.8 and an average of 1:37.5 Andys lap times were MUCH later in the day and it was getting hot. The fuel filter clogged on his runs and it got so bad that we had to pit and change it in the middle. His best was still better than Winston at a 1:35.0 and his average AFTER the fuel filter repair was 1:37.9 I took the best lap time for both days and ran faster on day 2 - no one was able to beat me best times from either day. All of this data is what I compiled from out mylaps data from the event where I was analyzing what it would take to win the whole event. So...I think Andy is rightly justified in bringing up Winston. Re-read those numbers and think of how far ahead one driver is than the other after 40 laps. I was 3.5 secs AVERAGE a lap faster...thats a slaughtering on an Enduro. Patrick
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 24, 2010 5:32:06 GMT -6
Explains what Andy....? Lay it out there for me. You were playing in your sand box with a Tonka truck while Winston was dreaming of a road course. The first instructor that got out of Eon's passenger seat as I walked up to ask what they thought, was shaking his head saying that there was nothing else they could teach him. This is an argument for either the original direction he was set on at the beginning or his ability to self learn without any instruction, writings of a "mind coach" or serving duty as a parking lot cone fetcher. Which one do you think it is...? Don't paint yourself into a corner now. T T, you are really reaching here. Andy and I both raced on the Lemons team with Winston. Same car, same exact days. Winston got out of his session of 40 laps with a best lap time of 1:35.9 with an average of 1:40.5. I then jumped right in the same car behind him and ran my 40 laps with a best time of 1:33.8 and an average of 1:37.5 Andys lap times were MUCH later in the day and it was getting hot. The fuel filter clogged on his runs and it got so bad that we had to pit and change it in the middle. His best was still better than Winston at a 1:35.0 and his average AFTER the fuel filter repair was 1:37.9 I took the best lap time for both days and ran faster on day 2 - no one was able to beat me best times from either day. All of this data is what I compiled from out mylaps data from the event where I was analyzing what it would take to win the whole event. So...I think Andy is rightly justified in bringing up Winston. Re-read those numbers and think of how far ahead one driver is than the other after 40 laps. I was 3.5 secs AVERAGE a lap faster...thats a slaughtering on an Enduro. Patrick You forgot to mention that we were blind-drunk both nights and racing on massive hangovers and no sleep during the middle of Summer. We beat Winston in our worst condition. "Being a Complete Badass!" is also covered in the book. T- Driving a truck through a field is hardly "design." You guys are right. There is absolutely nothing you can learn from a book. It would be a complete waste of time to read it. The parts about vehicle prep, kinematics, tires, theory and everything else about race cars don't apply in your situation. That hour could be spent much better by making soap carvings or kicking puppies. You have two races to run three consecutive 1:19.xx laps. I'd take all the help I could get.
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ccarver
I just want to go fast!
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Post by ccarver on Jan 24, 2010 10:02:34 GMT -6
Did you guys see the Video? Nice driving Eon. See you all track side. Carver
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Post by turbot on Jan 24, 2010 11:24:57 GMT -6
T, you are really reaching here. Andy and I both raced on the Lemons team with Winston. Same car, same exact days. Winston got out of his session of 40 laps with a best lap time of 1:35.9 with an average of 1:40.5. I then jumped right in the same car behind him and ran my 40 laps with a best time of 1:33.8 and an average of 1:37.5 Andys lap times were MUCH later in the day and it was getting hot. The fuel filter clogged on his runs and it got so bad that we had to pit and change it in the middle. His best was still better than Winston at a 1:35.0 and his average AFTER the fuel filter repair was 1:37.9 I took the best lap time for both days and ran faster on day 2 - no one was able to beat me best times from either day. All of this data is what I compiled from out mylaps data from the event where I was analyzing what it would take to win the whole event. So...I think Andy is rightly justified in bringing up Winston. Re-read those numbers and think of how far ahead one driver is than the other after 40 laps. I was 3.5 secs AVERAGE a lap faster...thats a slaughtering on an Enduro. Patrick Reaching how....? Your whole self serving message is based on on refuting a claim that I never made. I never made anything close to even a suggestion regarding Winston's driving abilities......only his ability to teach and connect. I know a person who is a GM 'Master Technician' by credentials and to be truthful, he couldn't fix a d@mned thing much less diagnose it properly. I hired a very talented drummer once to give Eon lessons....and you know what, he was hard to match as a player but he couldn't teach squat. I picked up the drums myself after gaining interest when I bought Eon his first set....., not one single lesson, all self taught...and six months later after forming a band, I was playing on a stage at a 'Battle of the Bands'......and won. To hammer home with a pun, don't judge a book by it's cover. Somebody can be great at teaching and not doing. It's equally possible that someone can do without being taught. Personally, I have been successful at everything I have ever cared to try. Racing will be no different. T
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Post by turbot on Jan 24, 2010 11:36:55 GMT -6
You forgot to mention that we were blind-drunk both nights and racing on massive hangovers and no sleep during the middle of Summer. We beat Winston in our worst condition. "Being a Complete Badass!" is also covered in the book. T- Driving a truck through a field is hardly "design." You guys are right. There is absolutely nothing you can learn from a book. It would be a complete waste of time to read it. The parts about vehicle prep, kinematics, tires, theory and everything else about race cars don't apply in your situation. That hour could be spent much better by making soap carvings or kicking puppies. You have two races to run three consecutive 1:19.xx laps. I'd take all the help I could get. Andy, if you find it necessary to read and push a book by a "mind coach", then by all means, knock yourself out. Was it before or after you refuted the benefits of a tire pyrometer, used by every major racing team worth a spit that you read the book....? And driving a car for a whole season with the springs the wrong way around and not even knowing the difference.....Ross must have overestimated his potential reading audience and left that chapter out. Oh...and I have all the time in world and don't need any help, thanks. T
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Post by turbot on Jan 24, 2010 11:38:44 GMT -6
Did you guys see the Video? Nice driving Eon. See you all track side. Carver Don't know about Andy but I'm pretty sure Patrick at least watched it. Wrong diagnosis on the under steer with the mind meld but......., T
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 24, 2010 14:19:20 GMT -6
You forgot to mention that we were blind-drunk both nights and racing on massive hangovers and no sleep during the middle of Summer. We beat Winston in our worst condition. "Being a Complete Badass!" is also covered in the book. T- Driving a truck through a field is hardly "design." You guys are right. There is absolutely nothing you can learn from a book. It would be a complete waste of time to read it. The parts about vehicle prep, kinematics, tires, theory and everything else about race cars don't apply in your situation. That hour could be spent much better by making soap carvings or kicking puppies. You have two races to run three consecutive 1:19.xx laps. I'd take all the help I could get. Andy, if you find it necessary to read and push a book by a "mind coach", then by all means, knock yourself out. Was it before or after you refuted the benefits of a tire pyrometer, used by every major racing team worth a spit that you read the book....? And driving a car for a whole season with the springs the wrong way around and not even knowing the difference.....Ross must have overestimated his potential reading audience and left that chapter out. Oh...and I have all the time in world and don't need any help, thanks. T Part of being a team player is keeping team issues within the team. Believe me, I know when the car is right or wrong. By the way, that chapter is in the book. Patrick, what number was it? "A good driver can be successful in a bad car, but a bad driver will never be successful, even in a great car." T-It's fine. Don't read it. There is no way that anything in that book would help you. If you don't believe in mental training, you won't gain anything from it, including the 80% of the first book that has nothing to do with mental imagery.
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Post by turbot on Jan 25, 2010 10:06:04 GMT -6
T-It's fine. Don't read it. There is no way that anything in that book would help you. If you don't believe in mental training, you won't gain anything from it, including the 80% of the first book that has nothing to do with mental imagery. Thanks Andy, I was thinking for a while there, y'all were gonna round up a posse to hold me down and force read it to me... ;D Comes a time where you just have to agree to disagree. Don't really have time to be regularly active on two forums and my Euro buddies from an F1 forum are emailing me to come back after a year away......so if I disappear, y'all will know where I went. T
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 25, 2010 10:12:58 GMT -6
T-It's fine. Don't read it. There is no way that anything in that book would help you. If you don't believe in mental training, you won't gain anything from it, including the 80% of the first book that has nothing to do with mental imagery. Thanks Andy, I was thinking for a while there, y'all were gonna round up a posse to hold me down and force read it to me... ;D Comes a time where you just have to agree to disagree. Don't really have time to be regularly active on two forums and my Euro buddies from an F1 forum are emailing me to come back after a year away......so if I disappear, y'all will know where I went. T Praise Jesus. T is going away. Just one more try. If you read the book and it didn't help, no harm done, but if you don't read it, you will never know whether there is any benefit. It just seems strange to be adamantly against something that can only help you. The only downside would be the loss of an hour. I just don't get it.
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 25, 2010 10:27:15 GMT -6
This is my favorite part of the whole thread GOOD LUCK! Yeah, save your reading time and work on your car. Patrick Attachments:
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troym
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Post by troym on Jan 25, 2010 11:52:42 GMT -6
Hey Patrick, Love the pimpy new flares and dubs. Is this the setup that will alow you to run the takeoff slicks?
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Post by turbot on Jan 25, 2010 12:16:53 GMT -6
Hey Patrick, Love the pimpy new flares and dubs. Is this the setup that will alow you to run the takeoff slicks? Hee hee, no joke.....looks pretty cool. Patrick...., how'd you decide on the height to place the rear wing...? Is the car normally this high off the ground in the front...? That splitter is pretty high off the deck. You ever consider a couple of dive planes in addition to the spoiler to help your under steer bias...? Er...did I ever mention that I paint race cars as a sideline..... ;D T
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