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Post by turbot on Nov 9, 2011 10:19:24 GMT -6
Could you imagine if Eon had the hp of Hamza's car? None of us would stand a chance on top of the podium! Great driving Eon. You, Eon, Gary Small and Chris have broken out below (and I'll throw Carver in there too - don't know his weight but only a few ponies up on a 944) the 1.24 threshold.....with 130 hp @ 2650 lbs. Don't know what the rest of the cars are held up in red bracket for...? ;D T
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Post by nine44s on Nov 9, 2011 10:24:35 GMT -6
Could you imagine if Eon had the hp of Hamza's car? None of us would stand a chance on top of the podium! Great driving Eon. Thanks Lane ,but I am fairly certain I wouldn't be able to race bracket with that much more power with the car at its current weight.....so you would still have a shot at that step
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Post by turbot on Nov 9, 2011 10:49:18 GMT -6
Could you imagine if Eon had the hp of Hamza's car? None of us would stand a chance on top of the podium! Great driving Eon. Thanks Lane ,but I am fairly certain I wouldn't be able to race bracket with that much more power with the car at its current weight.....so you would still have a shot at that step So....putting in the DOHC 2.5 at the shop to get you up around the FWD car's power is out of the question is what you are saying....? ;D T
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Post by melan45 on Nov 9, 2011 12:23:53 GMT -6
there isn't that much of a power disadvantage 175whp\2550lbs with driver and half tank gas. there are 14turns and 3 straights there is plenty of room for the 944 to flex its muscle. i have a steel beam for rear suspension set on factory settings that's got to negate the extra power. not sure what the honda's have. how about those miata's keeping up with the bracket podium talk about low on power and still turning those numbers?! the bottom line is we all know the 6+ cars that are capable of running 1.24-25 range on any giving day between oct-feb so it's pretty even and it's up to the driver to qualify top 4 and run consistent and you have a chance of podium and\or taking first. 4master proved it time and time and time again.
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Post by nine44s on Nov 9, 2011 13:40:38 GMT -6
there isn't that much of a power disadvantage 175whp\2550lbs with driver and half tank gas. there are 14turns and 3 straights there is plenty of room for the 944 to flex its muscle. i have a steel beam for rear suspension set on factory settings that's got to negate the extra power. not sure what the honda's have. how about those miata's keeping up with the bracket podium talk about low on power and still turning those numbers?! the bottom line is we all know the 6+ cars that are capable of running 1.24-25 range on any giving day between oct-feb so it's pretty even and it's up to the driver to qualify top 4 and run consistent and you have a chance of podium and\or taking first. 4master proved it time and time and time again. Pom don't get me wrong I'm definitely not looking for or making excuses, but most people would consider this a power track. All things being as equal as they are time wise I believe that's it's pretty hard to argue that 40 hp and 50+ lbs wouldn't be worth a few tenths around CGB Again not making excuses.... I choose to race under those circumstance to conform to PCA SP2 rules
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Post by turbot on Nov 9, 2011 13:58:23 GMT -6
there isn't that much of a power disadvantage 175whp\2550lbs with driver and half tank gas. there are 14turns and 3 straights there is plenty of room for the 944 to flex its muscle. i have a steel beam for rear suspension set on factory settings that's got to negate the extra power. not sure what the honda's have. Uhm, hey Clint, no disrespect bro but you are making my point for me... Power to weight isn't just one thing....it is the thing. Such that, NASA, SCCA and even PCA base individual classes and even steps within classes based entirely on power/weight. The disparity between, say your car or Gary's and a 944 is dramatic, definitely misrepresented by "isn't that much". Here are the numbers, Sentra = 2550# @ 175 bhp = 14.57 lbs/hp' 944 = 2650# @ 130bhp = 20.38 lbs/hp That's more than 25% difference. That's like you having equipment that can run at 100% while a 944 is shackled at 75%, yet the times can be nearly identical. Porsche official power for a 944 is around 140 bhp but you will be hard pressed to find a legal one that makes more than 130. Foremaster's red bracket championship car made somewhere around 100 hp on the dyno when he pulled the engine for a swap to sell it to Walt. how about those miata's keeping up with the bracket podium talk about low on power and still turning those numbers? LOLZ, thanks again... ;D 944 = 2650# @ 130bhp = 20.38 lbs/hp SM* = 2300# @ 115 bhp = 20.00 lbs/hp * (1990-93) Spec tire for Miatas locally was just approved for Hoosier. At basically the same power/weight, yes, I would say they should run comparable times. the bottom line is we all know the 6+ cars that are capable of running 1.24-25 range on any giving day between oct-feb so it's pretty even and it's up to the driver to qualify top 4 and run consistent and you have a chance of podium and\or taking first. 4master proved it time and time and time again. The bottom line is, by sheer advantage in the power to weight department, we all know that there should be 4-6 cars that should be easily breaking out of red bracket consistently.....and it aint 944s. T
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Post by nine44s on Nov 9, 2011 14:04:54 GMT -6
Btw you got me curious on the spec miatas so I did a little searching..... 2350lbs for the newer cars and around 110hp.....so about 30 hp down on us and some 300 lbs lighter
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Post by nine44s on Nov 9, 2011 14:07:16 GMT -6
there isn't that much of a power disadvantage 175whp\2550lbs with driver and half tank gas. there are 14turns and 3 straights there is plenty of room for the 944 to flex its muscle. i have a steel beam for rear suspension set on factory settings that's got to negate the extra power. not sure what the honda's have. Uhm, hey Clint, no disrespect bro but you are making my point for me... Power to weight isn't just one thing....it is the thing. Such that, NASA, SCCA and even PCA base individual classes and even steps within classes based entirely on power/weight. The disparity between, say your car or Gary's and a 944 is dramatic, definitely misrepresented by "isn't that much". Here are the numbers, Sentra = 2550# @ 175 bhp = 14.57 lbs/hp' 944 = 2650# @ 130bhp = 20.38 lbs/hp That's more than 25% difference. Porsche official power for a 944 is around 140 bhp but you will be hard pressed to find a legal one that makes more than 130. Foremaster's red bracket championship car made somewhere around 100 hp on the dyno when he pulled the engine for a swap to sell it to Walt. LOLZ, thanks again... ;D 944 = 2650# @ 130bhp = 20.38 lbs/hp SM* = 2300# @ 115 bhp = 20.00 lbs/hp * (1990-93) Spec tire for Miatas locally was just approved for Hoosier. At basically the same power/weight, yes, I would say they should run comparable times. the bottom line is we all know the 6+ cars that are capable of running 1.24-25 range on any giving day between oct-feb so it's pretty even and it's up to the driver to qualify top 4 and run consistent and you have a chance of podium and\or taking first. 4master proved it time and time and time again. The bottom line is, by sheer advantage in the power to weight department, we all know that there should be 4-6 cars that should be easily breaking out of red bracket consistently.....and it aint 944s. T Dang spotty Internet and you beat me to the specmiatas.....
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Post by melan45 on Nov 9, 2011 14:11:05 GMT -6
there isn't that much of a power disadvantage 175whp\2550lbs with driver and half tank gas. there are 14turns and 3 straights there is plenty of room for the 944 to flex its muscle. i have a steel beam for rear suspension set on factory settings that's got to negate the extra power. not sure what the honda's have. how about those miata's keeping up with the bracket podium talk about low on power and still turning those numbers?! the bottom line is we all know the 6+ cars that are capable of running 1.24-25 range on any giving day between oct-feb so it's pretty even and it's up to the driver to qualify top 4 and run consistent and you have a chance of podium and\or taking first. 4master proved it time and time and time again. Pom don't get me wrong I'm definitely not looking for or making excuses, but most people would consider this a power track. All things being as equal as they are time wise I believe that's it's pretty hard to argue that 40 hp and 50+ lbs wouldn't be worth a few tenths around CGB Again not making excuses.... I choose to race under those circumstance to conform to PCA SP2 rules 40hp you have to be kidding!? 15-25hp at most...you have been side by side with me...and its not all that drastic. denis paul's purple 911 and goddard's car is what i would consider a power advantage. we have all been passed by them effortlessly down the straight. i can't pass lane or gary if either have a car length lead exiting 14. hamza pulls me by the last half of the straight. probably due to aero
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Post by turbot on Nov 9, 2011 14:12:32 GMT -6
Dang spotty Internet and you beat me to the specmiatas..... Samsung + Verizon my son... ;D T
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Post by turbot on Nov 9, 2011 14:20:24 GMT -6
Pom don't get me wrong I'm definitely not looking for or making excuses, but most people would consider this a power track. All things being as equal as they are time wise I believe that's it's pretty hard to argue that 40 hp and 50+ lbs wouldn't be worth a few tenths around CGB Again not making excuses.... I choose to race under those circumstance to conform to PCA SP2 rules 40hp you have to be kidding!? 15-25hp at most...you have been side by side with me...and its not all that drastic. denis paul's purple 911 and goddard's car is what i would consider a power advantage. we have all been passed by them effortlessly down the straight. i can't pass lane or gary if either have a car length lead exiting 14. hamza pulls me by the last half of the straight. probably due to aero LOL, you gave your power figure....show me a Porsche 944 with 160bhp in PCA legal 2.5L 8V trim and I'll buy it from you right now. Goddard's 968 engine makes 240 in Porsche stated power....probably around 225 in reality....cars in E class like his (Goddard's is actually GT3 since it is a 944 w/968 engine), Hamza, Julius and Henry Carter have to weigh in at close to 3100 lbs. Julius 944T 3100lbs. @217bhp = 14.28 lb/hp S2's* = 3100lbs @ 208bhp = 14.90 lbs/hp Very close to your car in performance index, one slightly better, one slightly worse. Funny you picked some of the cars that should easily break out of red......oh, and Dennis Paul quit bracket, he's racing GT now... ;D T
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Post by melan45 on Nov 9, 2011 14:45:31 GMT -6
i not trying to prove a point. i have not had my car on the dyno so i really don't know what kind of power it makes and you just wasted god knows how much time researching all that for what?! my car has never broken out and i push the living crap out of it. i go off what happens on track...there is no way in hell i have the 25% advantage you are suggesting in the numbers...it would show even more on the straights. you of all folks should know it ain't all about the power\weight ratios. please do not research any further b/c i truly can give a rats a$$ about the particulars. the 944's are great cars and if i could drive one i would...there are plenty reasons you don't see a bunch of 4-door sentras at the track.
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Post by nine44s on Nov 9, 2011 14:46:51 GMT -6
Dang spotty Internet and you beat me to the specmiatas..... Samsung + Verizon my son... ;D T Wifi not 3G....
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Post by nine44s on Nov 9, 2011 14:52:08 GMT -6
i not trying to prove a point. i have not had my car on the dyno so i really don't know what kind of power it makes and you just wasted god knows how much time researching all that for what?! my car has never broken out and i push the living crap out of it. i go off what happens on track...there is no way in hell i have the 25% advantage you are suggesting in the numbers...it would show even more on the straights. you of all folks should know it ain't all about the power\weight ratios. please do not research any further b/c i truly can give a rats a$$ about the particulars. the 944's are great cars and if i could drive one i would...there are plenty reasons you don't see a bunch of 4-door sentras at the track. Calm down buddy . Just because their is a power to weight advantage on paper doesn't mean that the platform can take full advantage of that difference ie the rear suspension you were talking about....
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Post by melan45 on Nov 9, 2011 14:56:24 GMT -6
i not trying to prove a point. i have not had my car on the dyno so i really don't know what kind of power it makes and you just wasted god knows how much time researching all that for what?! my car has never broken out and i push the living crap out of it. i go off what happens on track...there is no way in hell i have the 25% advantage you are suggesting in the numbers...it would show even more on the straights. you of all folks should know it ain't all about the power\weight ratios. please do not research any further b/c i truly can give a rats a$$ about the particulars. the 944's are great cars and if i could drive one i would...there are plenty reasons you don't see a bunch of 4-door sentras at the track. Calm down buddy . Just because their is a power to weight advantage on paper doesn't mean that the platform can take full advantage of that difference ie the rear suspension you were talking about.... dude if you know me i don't get worked up over anything out my control.
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