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Post by turbot on Jul 25, 2011 18:29:46 GMT -6
HEHE, Idle hands or something. New motor is cleaned off ready to drop in. Only hope is that this one last the same 6 seasons as the original. Carver LOLZ....where were you or that #76 Nissan running "seasons" back in 2005...? You must be talking about flattening cones around parking lots because you, your car and the road race converted autocross crowd didn't show up until a few years ago. What does a season of autocross amount to in engine life.....about 35-40 minutes run time...? Remember Carver, I have been around CGB for nearly 10 years.....that aint gonna fly past me... Now, you might add a season's worth of run time with a double duty/class run claim, but y'all were nowhere near CGB in 2004/5. The season ending was 2010/11. Correct me if I'm wrong......I'm the historical curator, remember...? ;D T
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ccarver
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Post by ccarver on Jul 26, 2011 7:41:01 GMT -6
HEHE, Idle hands or something. New motor is cleaned off ready to drop in. Only hope is that this one last the same 6 seasons as the original. Carver LOLZ....where were you or that #76 Nissan running "seasons" back in 2005...? You must be talking about flattening cones around parking lots because you, your car and the road race converted autocross crowd didn't show up until a few years ago. What does a season of autocross amount to in engine life.....about 35-40 minutes run time...? Remember Carver, I have been around CGB for nearly 10 years.....that aint gonna fly past me... Now, you might add a season's worth of run time with a double duty/class run claim, but y'all were nowhere near CGB in 2004/5. The season ending was 2010/11. Correct me if I'm wrong......I'm the historical curator, remember...? ;D T Some of us do run more than CGB, and I got my competion license with SCCA back in 04 so I would say I am in the window I have listed. 240 was first raced in Nov of 05 and almost every race with two drivers since. I do not know the first CGB race we did but it does not matter to anyone but the motor laying in pieces.
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Post by chris on Jul 26, 2011 8:06:18 GMT -6
On a more serious note, as an organization, what do we have to do to get more cars to do our event? Don't get me wrong, I realize the event entries grew this year and we did not have any field fillers start the race, but not matter what we do at the track, the feedback is always positive, the competitors are friendly, at least while the helmets are on and we have some of the best times that can be had at any race track. I heard through the Texas grapevine that no rules were posted that's why they didn't come. ( They must have missed the line about open to all classes of GCRS, SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, HSR with current logbook part ) At GCRS, we have no rules other than a stringent safety code which should be the norm everywhere a person can race. Are more detailed rules needed? If so, do we have someone in our midst that is willing to step up and create a rules committee, train officials, and then enforce everyone to the letter? From day one, meeting one that night at Messinas in Kenner, it has always been about keeping it Fun, Affordable, Safe and Sustainable. Do rules keep it fair? Maybe so, but it also defines boundaries that racers can and do cross. Rules also cost money and IMHO, our racers are spending enough as it is. I know I got off topic, but I just would like every racer to experience the spirit our racers have and the end result of seeing everyone do well and most of all the camaraderie that is shared, Steve Deniz helping out Jason with a 29mm socket, Carver Helping out the Z car and T, 0 car offering the car as a parts bin to get T back out on the track after we broke. Just looking for the answer. The GCRS is more than willing to put forth the effort, just looking for some direction.
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Post by turbot on Jul 26, 2011 8:19:35 GMT -6
Some of us do run more than CGB, and I got my competion license with SCCA back in 04 so I would say I am in the window I have listed. 240 was first raced in Nov of 05 and almost every race with two drivers since. I do not know the first CGB race we did but it does not matter to anyone but the motor laying in pieces. Yeah, credit due for double stinting...you could put two season's use on an engine in one year easily, no doubt....just wondering where you were getting 6 season....thought you meant NPR/CGB because y'all weren't around five or six seasons ago. Running a single off event or two SCCA wouldn't comprise of a "season" either. What did you license in for SCCA 2004....? Must have been another car...? You stated many times that the 240 was a Katrina "flood car" and Hurricane Katrina was August 2005. No biggie, I was just trying to add up the time line in my head. I remembered a car, same as your car's old color blowing an engine and catching the grass on fire around T4 a few years back but I think that was Beasley's RX7 rotary which led to his conversion...? His car color was a lot like your old stock color before the repaint, and my eyes weren't even that good a few years back to tell the difference between the two cars from that far anyway......, you know the Japanese modeled both from the same era benchmark 944 as a test car for performance and styling.... ;D Pretty strong testament of praise for the 944 I'd say, being the Asians were trying to equal a 10 year old Porsche design from pre-1980 still....circa 1991... T
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Post by turbot on Jul 26, 2011 8:26:28 GMT -6
On a more serious note, as an organization, what do we have to do to get more cars to do our event? Don't get me wrong, I realize the event entries grew this year and we did not have any field fillers start the race, but not matter what we do at the track, the feedback is always positive, the competitors are friendly, at least while the helmets are on and we have some of the best times that can be had at any race track. I heard through the Texas grapevine that no rules were posted that's why they didn't come. ( They must have missed the line about open to all classes of GCRS, SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, HSR with current logbook part ) At GCRS, we have no rules other than a stringent safety code which should be the norm everywhere a person can race. Are more detailed rules needed? If so, do we have someone in our midst that is willing to step up and create a rules committee, train officials, and then enforce everyone to the letter? From day one, meeting one that night at Messinas in Kenner, it has always been about keeping it Fun, Affordable, Safe and Sustainable. Do rules keep it fair? Maybe so, but it also defines boundaries that racers can and do cross. Rules also cost money and IMHO, our racers are spending enough as it is. I know I got off topic, but I just would like every racer to experience the spirit our racers have and the end result of seeing everyone do well and most of all the camaraderie that is shared, Steve Deniz helping out Jason with a 29mm socket, Carver Helping out the Z car and T, 0 car offering the car as a parts bin to get T back out on the track after we broke. Just looking for the answer. The GCRS is more than willing to put forth the effort, just looking for some direction. Chris....main problem I see is....to field 10-12 cars, it takes all of our normal participants and even some new people because each team takes up 4 drivers average to fill the team. You already have all of the normal GCRS runners and a few new people sewed up in this event and the only way to get 10 more cars is to draw drivers from other places. Another thing is.....timing the event at a different time of the year might help too. Not because of the heat down here but.....while we are still enjoying mild weather in our "winter time", 90% of the race cars are stowed away for the winter anywhere north of Louisiana and Texas because that's what they do due to snow closed tracks. Timing it as an extra last event that some drivers could do before stowing the cars away might help...? T
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Post by chris on Jul 26, 2011 8:53:57 GMT -6
T, your right, we had 41 registered drivers for the event, a fantastic turnout of locals. Great observation of the date and logic, but the purpose of the event was to give us something to do during our off months.
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Post by Flying Tiger on Jul 26, 2011 9:10:30 GMT -6
I heard through the Texas grapevine that no rules were posted that's why they didn't come. ( They must have missed the line about open to all classes of GCRS, SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, HSR with current logbook part ) At GCRS, we have no rules other than a stringent safety code which should be the norm everywhere a person can race. Are more detailed rules needed? If so, do we have someone in our midst that is willing to step up and create a rules committee, train officials, and then enforce everyone to the letter? From day one, meeting one that night at Messinas in Kenner, it has always been about keeping it Fun, Affordable, Safe and Sustainable. Do rules keep it fair? Maybe so, but it also defines boundaries that racers can and do cross. Rules also cost money and IMHO, our racers are spending enough as it is. " Chris, I have a knack for wording clauses like "rules" if you guys can get them in rough form on paper or email. I'm sure Gerald would be willing to help, though i haven't asked him. Having RULES does NOT have to detract from the fun aspects of racing, and in some cases, NOT HAVING RULES causes many more problems than HAVING them. We can address the question of the Rules costing money, too. Ugh. But If Rules will help attract out of state participants, why not reduce the rules to writing? We know we have plenty of common sense "unwritten" rules that we have to live with during each event. We can cover the obvious requirements by reference to the SCCA or NASA general rules, with amendment to cover the rules particular to our track: 13/13, 10mph pit speed, etc. Just MY humble opinion.
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Post by Ben - SM03 on Jul 26, 2011 9:42:18 GMT -6
Chris, will the results of the LA 400 be posted on MY Laps?
Would like to see just how long that tail light fix pit stop was.
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Post by Flying Tiger on Jul 26, 2011 10:20:15 GMT -6
Ben, I don't know how many laps we lost on the black flag, but probably 1 or 2. The time for the next pit stop (when we refueled, changed drivers and Chris fixed the brake light) was about 28+ minutes according to the board in the lounge. However, I checked the time when we had finished fillinged the car with gas and had it ready to go BEFORE Chris came over to fix the light, and the refueling and so forth was a matter of about 10 minutes or so.Then, if my memory is correct, it took about 18-22 minutes just to fix the lights, counting the waiting time for Chris' arrival, and all associated delays before the car was ready to go back out. I figure that pit stop, plus the black flag lap or 2, would have been about 14-15 laps at the speeds we were turning (bad weather and getting dark). Add 14 or 15 laps and where would we have finished? Dunno,but everyone seemed to have had a "gotcha" in one form or another, so despite my better inclinations, it does make me want to figure where we could have finished had everything gone to perfection. I'm not sweating the gremlins, though, as there were plenty of them going around most of the crews. It sure was FUN! Next time, I'm staying in the car longer!
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Post by fast55 on Jul 26, 2011 10:27:33 GMT -6
On a more serious note, as an organization, what do we have to do to get more cars to do our event? Don't get me wrong, I realize the event entries grew this year and we did not have any field fillers start the race, but not matter what we do at the track, the feedback is always positive, the competitors are friendly, at least while the helmets are on and we have some of the best times that can be had at any race track. I heard through the Texas grapevine that no rules were posted that's why they didn't come. ( They must have missed the line about open to all classes of GCRS, SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, HSR with current logbook part ) At GCRS, we have no rules other than a stringent safety code which should be the norm everywhere a person can race. Are more detailed rules needed? If so, do we have someone in our midst that is willing to step up and create a rules committee, train officials, and then enforce everyone to the letter? From day one, meeting one that night at Messinas in Kenner, it has always been about keeping it Fun, Affordable, Safe and Sustainable. Do rules keep it fair? Maybe so, but it also defines boundaries that racers can and do cross. Rules also cost money and IMHO, our racers are spending enough as it is. I know I got off topic, but I just would like every racer to experience the spirit our racers have and the end result of seeing everyone do well and most of all the camaraderie that is shared, Steve Deniz helping out Jason with a 29mm socket, Carver Helping out the Z car and T, 0 car offering the car as a parts bin to get T back out on the track after we broke. Just looking for the answer. The GCRS is more than willing to put forth the effort, just looking for some direction. "NASA"
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Post by chris on Jul 26, 2011 11:13:38 GMT -6
Jack Butler took the files for the 400 and the first two summer series races to post. NASA is more than welcome to come and visit. We talked with them at length earlier in the year and then they were not responsive after NOLA created their own region. My fear with rules such as NASA would be the classifications. Instead of 14 bracket cars duking it out, we would have 7 groups of 2 battling because of the classifications. If you go to a street brawl, no one asks what your weapon of choice is, you just bring what you got and try to kick as much ass as possable before getting knocked out yourself.
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Post by chris on Jul 26, 2011 11:45:10 GMT -6
Just checked andJthe 400 is posted on mylaps. Thanks Jack. Lap 98, third place overall, pitt stop and came back 7th. Worked our way back up to fifth and then epic failure! Chris
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Post by doug on Jul 26, 2011 11:59:23 GMT -6
I think the format is perfect for a single race. No classes, no groups - just a track and a green flag. Go hammer down for as long and as hard as you can.
Only reason I didn't bring my car was the heat. We got into LeMons racing for fun, and only do the cooler races as we don't have cool suits. That and with 3-1/2 mostly functioning cylinders we MIGHT have given the spec miata a run for their money.
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Post by troym on Jul 26, 2011 17:39:38 GMT -6
On a more serious note, as an organization, what do we have to do to get more cars to do our event? Don't get me wrong, I realize the event entries grew this year and we did not have any field fillers start the race, but not matter what we do at the track, the feedback is always positive, the competitors are friendly, at least while the helmets are on and we have some of the best times that can be had at any race track. I heard through the Texas grapevine that no rules were posted that's why they didn't come. ( They must have missed the line about open to all classes of GCRS, SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, HSR with current logbook part ) At GCRS, we have no rules other than a stringent safety code which should be the norm everywhere a person can race. Are more detailed rules needed? If so, do we have someone in our midst that is willing to step up and create a rules committee, train officials, and then enforce everyone to the letter? From day one, meeting one that night at Messinas in Kenner, it has always been about keeping it Fun, Affordable, Safe and Sustainable. Do rules keep it fair? Maybe so, but it also defines boundaries that racers can and do cross. Rules also cost money and IMHO, our racers are spending enough as it is. I know I got off topic, but I just would like every racer to experience the spirit our racers have and the end result of seeing everyone do well and most of all the camaraderie that is shared, Steve Deniz helping out Jason with a 29mm socket, Carver Helping out the Z car and T, 0 car offering the car as a parts bin to get T back out on the track after we broke. Just looking for the answer. The GCRS is more than willing to put forth the effort, just looking for some direction. First, let me say that I had a blast even though things didn't end the way team CCM would have liked. I like racing in the rain, so my 2 hours of wet - dry - wet again stint was alot of fun and a real challenge. I will be back for the next one for sure if the stars all align next year. In my opinion, most people want to have a clear understanding of what the rules are before they are going to commit to the expense of travelling from out of state for this race. Keep the rules simple and stay with the run what you brung concept, but put something down on paper that people can reference. The driver's meeting should not be the first chance the competitors get to see a set of written rules.
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Post by Flying Tiger on Jul 26, 2011 17:40:15 GMT -6
Doug, our Lemons car, a 280Z would have loved to have your company. It was warm for a couple of hours, but was really cool the rest of the day/night! We had one of the slowest cars on the planet, and got passed by Porsches, Bimmers, Mini and almost everyone else. However, she DID pass another Porsche and another car before the end of the race. Ya'll need to join us next time, Doug.
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