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Post by turbot on Jan 26, 2010 18:09:07 GMT -6
More information: 1) Ayrton's team ran more fuel in expectations of 2 pitstops instead of 3 as opposed to other teams that day. More weight = lower ride height / ability to handle bumps. 2) The repaired patches of concrete on turn in questions could have been a factor with ride height and grip. 3) Running the 3rd fastest lap of the day in the first 7 laps indicates trying too hard on cold tires. 4) Micheal Schumacher watched this happen and from videos that I have seen it appears that Ayrton is either lifting or something is scraping under the car as he goes through the turn (sparks or flashing from behind are seen in footage). Schumacher explained this as posted previously. 5) Ratzenberger dies the day before - this will ALWAYS be a factor in someone's mind - especially to someone riding with that person's flag in the car in preparations to honor them with a win. 6) Tire Pressure / Temp issues. 7) The steering wheel cut, chop, reweld. What kind of racecar mechanics do you think wouldn't be able to get a critical weld right after getting so many other things right on the whole car? this part breaking at speed is much less likely to happen than upon impact with wall at 135 mph. Said the man who wasn't gonna argue conspiracy theories. You forgot the piece of Benetton colored debris that a photographer caught on film in front of Ayrton's tire. You're honestly talking about the difference in ride height between a few liters of fuel when F1 cars of the time made in excess of 2500 lbs of downforce....? Dude....., T
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Post by turbot on Jan 26, 2010 18:12:36 GMT -6
T, FYI , the "it" is You. Patrick LOL......in the absence of legitimate arguments...., T
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Post by turbot on Jan 26, 2010 18:15:01 GMT -6
Amazingly this all started by Eon posting a video!!! No, not really, it started when the track monarchy decided to bestow infinite wisdom upon us serfs.... ;D It just kills them that I happen to know what the h3ll I'm talking about... T
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Post by troym on Jan 26, 2010 18:41:02 GMT -6
Was just going to say the same thing about Troy's clutch. The clutch is pretty tired and has been that way since we put the car together last year. We just pulled the motor from the wrecked race car and didn't touch the clutch (stock unit). I've been putting replacement off until I pull the tranny to swap the ring and pinion which I still hope to do before the Feb race. I'm going to install a solid disk Spec racing clutch.
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 26, 2010 19:13:28 GMT -6
Amazingly this all started by Eon posting a video!!! No, not really, it started when the track monarchy decided to bestow infinite wisdom upon us serfs.... ;D It just kills them that I happen to know what the h3ll I'm talking about... T It's good to be King. T-I'm glad you know what you are talking about. I personally haven't learned enough so I'll keep working on it.
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Post by turbot on Jan 26, 2010 19:19:07 GMT -6
Was just going to say the same thing about Troy's clutch. The clutch is pretty tired and has been that way since we put the car together last year. We just pulled the motor from the wrecked race car and didn't touch the clutch (stock unit). I've been putting replacement off until I pull the tranny to swap the ring and pinion which I still hope to do before the Feb race. I'm going to install a solid disk Spec racing clutch. Hey y'all holler, I said I'd be there for the diff swap. Good move on the disc....didn't want to down rate the Honda but those clutches are cr@p. SPEC is the sh!t.....ran one on my red turbo when I increased power and the stock one could no longer hold. A little chatter but no problem for a race car. If you are going with their pressure plate too, you have have them back cut it for lightness as an option for a small additional fee, I also have a universal mandrel for chucking flywheels in a lathe if y'all want to cut tome reciprocating weight there too. That thing is singing already.....just showed Eon your vid. What kind of rpms are you turning up to T2...? T
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Post by turbot on Jan 26, 2010 19:21:08 GMT -6
No, not really, it started when the track monarchy decided to bestow infinite wisdom upon us serfs.... ;D It just kills them that I happen to know what the h3ll I'm talking about... T It's good to be King. T-I'm glad you know what you are talking about. I personally haven't learned enough so I'll keep working on it. I learn some random stuff every now and then Andy..... ;D T
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Post by troym on Jan 26, 2010 20:09:31 GMT -6
Hey y'all holler, I said I'd be there for the diff swap. Good move on the disc....didn't want to down rate the Honda but those clutches are cr@p. SPEC is the sh!t.....ran one on my red turbo when I increased power and the stock one could no longer hold. A little chatter but no problem for a race car. If you are going with their pressure plate too, you have have them back cut it for lightness as an option for a small additional fee, I also have a universal mandrel for chucking flywheels in a lathe if y'all want to cut tome reciprocating weight there too. That thing is singing already.....just showed Eon your vid. What kind of rpms are you turning up to T2...? T About 7K up to T2. I'll let you know when I'm ready to swap the diff. I've got some bent sheetmetal to repair/replace before then.
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 27, 2010 8:47:05 GMT -6
Dang,
Sounded higher than that! I run 7500 rpms and I thought yours was higher!? Dang Honda motors just sound like street bikes I guess.
Patrick
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 27, 2010 10:05:32 GMT -6
T,
Back on topic!
Yes, some people can watch videos and tell that a car can be pushed a little harder in a turn, they can also tell the "attitude" of the car to determine if it is understeering or oversteering. They can watch videos and then visualize where they can go faster. I'm sorry that you feel you can't - this is something you need to work on. In this case, I see a few places for improvement and the driver agrees that there is more on the table. Also note that I did NOT take away anything from his skill level, he is doing a fine job (You reading this Eon?). I was just trying to help.
Can you tell how Lane's car was handling from the video? Looked to me like significantly more oversteer on lift and braking than Eon's car...that's one measure right there on how video can help (even watching OTHER people's videos).
Also your comment about "he's not losing anything to Lane through 1" tells me another story. Just because he doesn't lose anything on the next guy doesn't mean that he can't go faster than the next guy! If your aspirations and mind-set are to "follow lane" then you will not ever beat him unless he makes a terrible error. I think another thing Eon can work on (which I am currently working on as well) is to concentrate on His Performance during His Race regardless of results. For example, I took first place when Poupart broke out...but I didn't know that until I was on the way home. I was complaining to my wife that my head was never in the game, I never felt like I had much of a race that day and that I was upset at my performance - EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A WIN!
Now, scenario 2 is my last race. I qualified on the pole with one of my fastest laps ever. Knew that Harold broke and found out he was rolling out another car. I knew that I had to drive the wheels off of my car lap after lap and quit looking at the mirrors if I even had a chance at winning - it was mental preparation. And I did it and was proud of myself - I ran the most consistent laps I have ever run and got 2nd by .6 seconds but I was confident that I was giving 99% of my current driving ability so I was happy. For harold to have run 1 full second faster for best lap time during the race, I think I did fine! I put 20 something seconds on the next guys that I normally run around with! So, that's just one example of how I deal with preparing for a race and mentally envisioning what's going to happen.
Patrick
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 27, 2010 10:10:00 GMT -6
T,
Furthermore, the sub-title to Eon's video on Vimeo "Front end went away after about lap 6 as the times show :/ " Would indicate that I was correct about the understeering condition of the car.
Patrick
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Post by turbot on Jan 27, 2010 11:17:02 GMT -6
Dang, Sounded higher than that! I run 7500 rpms and I thought yours was higher!? Dang Honda motors just sound like street bikes I guess. Patrick Huh....!?!? Reason I asked is because I thought it'd be higher than that too..., see...., I can find something to agree on sometimes... ;D T
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Post by turbot on Jan 27, 2010 11:24:00 GMT -6
T, Furthermore, the sub-title to Eon's video on Vimeo "Front end went away after about lap 6 as the times show :/ " Would indicate that I was correct about the understeering condition of the car. Patrick LOL...., back on the mind optimization...., do you have to turn it on and off or once you read the book, is it always with you....? Re. your point above....., look again. That was the heat race that he made those comments. The race in question...., being the last one he posted...., the same as the one you commented on regarding the under steer, has no such subtitle. If you check his laps at mylaps, his fastest laps were near the end with the fastest lap coming on the very last. What good is suffering a boring read about concentration if you aint gonna use it....? T
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Post by troym on Jan 27, 2010 11:32:38 GMT -6
Dang, Sounded higher than that! I run 7500 rpms and I thought yours was higher!? Dang Honda motors just sound like street bikes I guess. Patrick Huh....!?!? Reason I asked is because I thought it'd be higher than that too..., see...., I can find something to agree on sometimes... ;D T I guess my JDM "fart can" exhaust is fooling everyone. ;D
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Post by harrisracing on Jan 27, 2010 13:18:42 GMT -6
T, Furthermore, the sub-title to Eon's video on Vimeo "Front end went away after about lap 6 as the times show :/ " Would indicate that I was correct about the understeering condition of the car. Patrick LOL...., back on the mind optimization...., do you have to turn it on and off or once you read the book, is it always with you....? Re. your point above....., look again. That was the heat race that he made those comments. The race in question...., being the last one he posted...., the same as the one you commented on regarding the under steer, has no such subtitle. If you check his laps at mylaps, his fastest laps were near the end with the fastest lap coming on the very last. What good is suffering a boring read about concentration if you aint gonna use it....? T T, Again you are wrong. The only video I watched of Eon's driving was the very first post in this thread with a link to the HEAT RACE video where a PCA 944 blew it in the first couple of turns. It's quoted my reply in which I address understeer issues and how to drive around an understeering car. Sorry I never watched the other video (wherever it is in this chain). To answer your question - he gives exercises and techniques for optimizing your mindset in the 3rd book. And to more accurately answer your question, you would at least have to have something to "turn on" or "optimize" first but I digress...again. A million monkeys banging on keyboards and the Shakespeare bit again, ey? Patrick
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