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Post by melan45 on Apr 26, 2010 12:51:41 GMT -6
I posted my video of the bracket feature #1 on vimeo. It's the only one of the 3 features where I was in an actual race. www.vimeo.com/11153173great video. you are getting the most out of that car...seems to be handling very good...just need a few more ponies and you will be right where you want to be. you are killing 4,5, & 6.
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944racer
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Post by 944racer on Apr 26, 2010 20:01:58 GMT -6
I should have some video ready later in the week, had to take a week off for work and no time for play T, your observations are right on about tires. 2 seconds difference between 12 heat cycles and 3 with the Hoosiers. The track was slippery as s--- Saturday and nice and sticky Sunday, but Cris W did go out and sweep the track Saturday night...thanks Chris Eon, I can't wait for next season. With your strong engine and increasing track savvy, Lane with a rebuilt engine, DC, and Mike and Henry if they decide to stay in bracket, Troy, Rebstock and the rest (sorry if I left anyone out) we'll have a blast You all have done a great job describing the action over the weekend, I'll only add that the reason I started at the back of the PCA race was I missed qualifying due to mechanical problems. I've got to plug FAST GUYS here. I had just bought their A/C delete bracket for my other car earlier on Saturday, when I came in from the first bracket race with my alternator hanging on by the adjustment bar only. My 6 year old A/C delete bracket from brand X had broken! Once the GUYS heard about that, they were at my car in a heartbeat to help change it out to their newly developed bracket. I missed qualifying, but would have missed the rest of the weekend if not for their product and help. THANKS FAST GUYS, you know who you are ;D
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Post by Fast Guys on Apr 26, 2010 20:43:03 GMT -6
I should have some video ready later in the week, had to take a week off for work and no time for play T, your observations are right on about tires. 2 seconds difference between 12 heat cycles and 3 with the Hoosiers. The track was slippery as s--- Saturday and nice and sticky Sunday, but Cris W did go out and sweep the track Saturday night...thanks Chris Eon, I can't wait for next season. With your strong engine and increasing track savvy, Lane with a rebuilt engine, DC, and Mike and Henry if they decide to stay in bracket, Troy, Rebstock and the rest (sorry if I left anyone out) we'll have a blast You all have done a great job describing the action over the weekend, I'll only add that the reason I started at the back of the PCA race was I missed qualifying due to mechanical problems. I've got to plug FAST GUYS here. I had just bought their A/C delete bracket for my other car earlier on Saturday, when I came in from the first bracket race with my alternator hanging on by the adjustment bar only. My 6 year old A/C delete bracket from brand X had broken! Once the GUYS heard about that, they were at my car in a heartbeat to help change it out to their newly developed bracket. I missed qualifying, but would have missed the rest of the weekend if not for their product and help. THANKS FAST GUYS, you know who you are ;D Thanks, Gary. Glad we could help!
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Post by turbot on Apr 27, 2010 6:23:59 GMT -6
I've got to plug FAST GUYS here. I had just bought their A/C delete bracket for my other car earlier on Saturday, when I came in from the first bracket race with my alternator hanging on by the adjustment bar only. My 6 year old A/C delete bracket from brand X had broken! Once the GUYS heard about that, they were at my car in a heartbeat to help change it out to their newly developed bracket. I missed qualifying, but would have missed the rest of the weekend if not for their product and help. THANKS FAST GUYS, you know who you are ;D G, you know I'd have been over there to get you back up and running like old time's (and probably twice as fast as the "FAST GUYS".... ;D) but these days....when you're racing yourself, all I could do for you was spot the problem and wake Andy up from his motor home...... ;D ;D ;D ;D The bracket....., nice piece though, I bought one myself. We have Eon's engine hanging in the car right now to do a little preventive maintenance and freshening. We'll have it out in the next day or two for some seals, gaskets, oil pan baffle and couple of pony enhancements so it should be a little stronger come race season. Me....., I'm getting a new windshield so I can actually see where I'm going... Don't miss me on your list of competition.....I'll have new tires on Frankie next round.... ;D T (looking to see your Race 1 vid first)
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Post by 944racer on Apr 27, 2010 7:22:42 GMT -6
Damn, knew I'd missed someone I haven't seen the video yet, but there was no way after my spin coming out of 10 that I was going to pass you. Gotta give Ken Laborde in his cup car a big assist for that pass Back to tires. Speaking for myself, and maybe the other guys running Hoosiers in PCA, I would not be in favor of a spec tire for 944's. We need to run Hoosiers to be competitive in PCA events, and it wouldn't be cost effective to switch to another brand for GCRS. Besides, I usually run tires with 8-10 heat cycles for GCRS, right at the end of their 'sweet spot'. I only had good tires last week because of the rain at Road Atlanta. BTW - I broke down and bought a set of Hoosier rain tires for RA, and for the first time ever felt confident on a wet track. I couldn't believe the difference even from the old street Goodyears I'd been using in the rain. It actually felt tike the water was being evacuated from under me and I had a reasonable amount of grip, better than Saturday at CGB with a slippery track and old tires.
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Post by melan45 on Apr 27, 2010 7:31:08 GMT -6
Damn, knew I'd missed someone I haven't seen the video yet, but there was no way after my spin coming out of 10 that I was going to pass you. Gotta give Ken Laborde in his cup car a big assist for that pass Back to tires. Speaking for myself, and maybe the other guys running Hoosiers in PCA, I would not be in favor of a spec tire for 944's. We need to run Hoosiers to be competitive in PCA events, and it wouldn't be cost effective to switch to another brand for GCRS. Besides, I usually run tires with 8-10 heat cycles for GCRS, right at the end of their 'sweet spot'. I only had good tires last week because of the rain at Road Atlanta. BTW - I broke down and bought a set of Hoosier rain tires for RA, and for the first time ever felt confident on a wet track. I couldn't believe the difference even from the old street Goodyears I'd been using in the rain. It actually felt tike the water was being evacuated from under me and I had a reasonable amount of grip, better than Saturday at CGB with a slippery track and old tires. dang gary..that 6pack i brought you must have erased you memory of me too. i will be back in the same form in 2010-11...trying to shoot for 4 races this season since it may be the last on the original grand bayou track. only changes this off-season will be tire choices and possibly a petty bar on the cage for more safety...nitto to kumho.
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Post by turbot on Apr 27, 2010 9:46:24 GMT -6
Damn, knew I'd missed someone I haven't seen the video yet, but there was no way after my spin coming out of 10 that I was going to pass you. Gotta give Ken Laborde in his cup car a big assist for that pass Back to tires. Speaking for myself, and maybe the other guys running Hoosiers in PCA, I would not be in favor of a spec tire for 944's. We need to run Hoosiers to be competitive in PCA events, and it wouldn't be cost effective to switch to another brand for GCRS. Besides, I usually run tires with 8-10 heat cycles for GCRS, right at the end of their 'sweet spot'. I only had good tires last week because of the rain at Road Atlanta. BTW - I broke down and bought a set of Hoosier rain tires for RA, and for the first time ever felt confident on a wet track. I couldn't believe the difference even from the old street Goodyears I'd been using in the rain. It actually felt tike the water was being evacuated from under me and I had a reasonable amount of grip, better than Saturday at CGB with a slippery track and old tires. Roger that....., I tried street tires as rains before and they are worse than being on a soft race tire with the stiff suspension. T
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Post by turbot on Apr 27, 2010 9:51:02 GMT -6
dang gary..that 6pack i brought you must have erased you memory of me too. i will be back in the same form in 2010-11...trying to shoot for 4 races this season since it may be the last on the original grand bayou track. only changes this off-season will be tire choices and possibly a petty bar on the cage for more safety...nitto to kumho. Nitto to Kumho huh....? T
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Post by turbot on Apr 27, 2010 10:11:19 GMT -6
Gary, on the spec thing....., 1 maybe.....2 sets max would do every session in a GCRS season and at $170 a tire.
Not to mention, a full grooved RA1 makes a pretty d@mned good rain tire to double duty.
You'd actually be saving money running RA1s in GCRS.
Puts more focus on driver ability and also caters more to the spirit of the GCRS to be driver series.
Cheaper and more competitive...., I don't see the negative....?
T
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Post by melan45 on Apr 27, 2010 10:14:08 GMT -6
dang gary..that 6pack i brought you must have erased you memory of me too. i will be back in the same form in 2010-11...trying to shoot for 4 races this season since it may be the last on the original grand bayou track. only changes this off-season will be tire choices and possibly a petty bar on the cage for more safety...nitto to kumho. Nitto to Kumho huh....? T v710 round shoulder...225/45 17". worth about a second gain according to those who have made the same switch.
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Post by turbot on Apr 27, 2010 14:26:26 GMT -6
v710 round shoulder...225/45 17". worth about a second gain according to those who have made the same switch. We need to have a separate thread running on this because I'm definitely going to bring it for consideration whenever there's a meeting and we could air out the pros and cons now, but .....directly back at your reply Clint, if all of bracket was on one agreed tire, there'd be no reason to switch to anything else because the car next to you did. There had been talk of cars being bumped out if they hit the breakout wall twice....., the spec tire would solve this problem too, allowing faster cars to stay in bracket because they'd be slowed from the Hoosier, etc. There was also talk (and interest) in the track selling tires on site. This could benefit the organizers AND the racers. Tire sale profit for the track, discount pricing for competitors. Plus, more competitive racing based on driver skill as the series intent. I think ALL of the blue and yellow bracket guys are already on a treaded tire so they'd move closer to the action. It's a win win win win situation..... ;D T
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Post by harrisracing on Apr 27, 2010 14:49:13 GMT -6
Or is it?
You guys should be targeting a time to run for the class. If you can't hit that time, then adjust the car accordingly by tires, power, suspension etc. If you CAN hit that target time, then you are in a good position to slow the car, install throttle stop, etc. It would be wise to be able to hit 1:23.8 on your fastest day and just tune the car to be slower after that. Don't know why you guys think running the same tire is going to fix the brackets.
It ain't broke...if you are racing against 1:24 cars in a 1:26 car...drop to the 1:27 bracket...it's simple.
Patrick
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Post by melan45 on Apr 27, 2010 19:54:37 GMT -6
v710 round shoulder...225/45 17". worth about a second gain according to those who have made the same switch. We need to have a separate thread running on this because I'm definitely going to bring it for consideration whenever there's a meeting and we could air out the pros and cons now, but .....directly back at your reply Clint, if all of bracket was on one agreed tire, there'd be no reason to switch to anything else because the car next to you did. There had been talk of cars being bumped out if they hit the breakout wall twice....., the spec tire would solve this problem too, allowing faster cars to stay in bracket because they'd be slowed from the Hoosier, etc. There was also talk (and interest) in the track selling tires on site. This could benefit the organizers AND the racers. Tire sale profit for the track, discount pricing for competitors. Plus, more competitive racing based on driver skill as the series intent. I think ALL of the blue and yellow bracket guys are already on a treaded tire so they'd move closer to the action. It's a win win win win situation..... ;D T so i should be holding off until further notice? i am not buying tires or swapping b/c the next guy is...i have one or two tires i can fit into my budget and those two are nitto or kumho. also i can get the same amount of race time from them, but i heard the kumho's are a tad bit more sticky...so i may not have to drive so freaking hard to keep up. might be able to keep the rpms down a little to save time on engine. my strategy is getting on the track and when i get to the track i can then think about trying to stay up front. i don't mind a standard tire as long as i can still make it to the track 4-5 times a year on one set.
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Post by lane on Apr 28, 2010 6:48:57 GMT -6
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Post by turbot on Apr 28, 2010 7:42:23 GMT -6
Or is it? You guys should be targeting a time to run for the class. If you can't hit that time, then adjust the car accordingly by tires, power, suspension etc. If you CAN hit that target time, then you are in a good position to slow the car, install throttle stop, etc. It would be wise to be able to hit 1:23.8 on your fastest day and just tune the car to be slower after that. Don't know why you guys think running the same tire is going to fix the brackets. It ain't broke...if you are racing against 1:24 cars in a 1:26 car...drop to the 1:27 bracket...it's simple. Patrick LOL, this from the guy that bought two dozen Hankooks on close out sale and is always harping about how cheap the tires you ran where..... Patrick, I stated this at least 20 times already - Every 944 that circulates CGB is currently on race weekends is built to legal PCA spec. Only two that I know of don't compete in PCA race events, Walt and Fred McMullan and both of those were built to PCA race spec by their previous owners and remain in that format. We can't "adjust" power. We can't "adjust" weight. Heck, you can't even touch the brakes, body panels, transmission ratios, etc., etc., etc. Last time I looked, bracket, blue-red, consists probably of 80% Porsches, 70% 944 PCA class or Spec cars. The SP2 cars are already down 60-70 bhp to the 3.0 liter S2 cars that run in bracket and the S2 with the power advantage already run Hoosiers which makes the disparity even greater. I'm only bringing this up to put the competition more in the hands of the drivers. It's only a suggestion for discussion but I'm kinda perplexed as to why everyone in bracket wouldn't be for it. Like I said, it'd bring costs down, allow some cars that should be bumped to stay in bracket where they are competitive and possibly serve as a source of income for the track. There's even the possibility that we could get a tire contingency program going that would award class winners to get free tires if the track could move enough of one particular tire. I see a couple of suggestions that you made (all out of the realm of possibility for the reasons I stated) but can you offer up a valid reason why a spec tire would be detrimental....? I'm giving y'all the "pros". I haven't seen any "cons". T
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