Brent Mosing
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Post by Brent Mosing on Mar 7, 2010 21:48:46 GMT -6
I would like to start a discussion on Shanes wreck. Before I pose questions on the wreck does anyone know who the black 944 was that Shane and Mitch had just passed? I would like to know what he saw.
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shane
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Post by shane on Mar 8, 2010 7:45:34 GMT -6
Looking at Mylaps.com and the lap chart it appears that it was #592. Did anyone see what happened?
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Post by turbot on Mar 8, 2010 7:51:54 GMT -6
I would like to start a discussion on Shanes wreck. Before I pose questions on the wreck does anyone know who the black 944 was that Shane and Mitch had just passed? I would like to know what he saw. Not everybody carries a camera Brent but there should have been only three black 944s on track in the feature. No way it was Gary Small in the vicinity of being passed by the SM leaders because he was in the lead pack of the bracket group, ahead of me and I was in no danger of being caught by the SM group.. That leaves Fred Mcmullan, #592 black 944S yellow bracket and Walt Roddy #621, flat black 944, yellow bracket. Of the two, Walt is an active member here and usually has video to post. T
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Post by harrisracing on Mar 8, 2010 8:28:02 GMT -6
While my view was partially blocked, Andy and I were watching this from the stands at 14 and we both noticed that the lead miatas (?) were coming up on the 944 through 14 (which caught our attention) and as they were entering the straight it was apparent that they were going to be changing line to deal with the 944. I really couldn't tell you what happened after that because the wall was blocking most of my view, but we were watching to see if 2nd place miata was able to make a run and then we saw that he lost it and heard the hit. I think something happened during or shortly after the pass on the 944.
Sorry, wish I had a better view, but I know it looked like good, close racing, then combined with coming up on slower traffic something *could* have happened to get someone checked up.
Seems like both miatas would have had to change their lines to deal with the traffic though.
Again, just know what I saw through 14 and it was going to be close down the straight.
Patrick
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Post by turbot on Mar 8, 2010 8:55:51 GMT -6
Looking at Mylaps.com and the lap chart it appears that it was #592. Did anyone see what happened? Hmm, mylaps is all screwed up for my transponder. Don't know why it showed me as Phil this race until I noticed and had it changed. Shane, hard to believe a Sm has the power to get the rear end loose where you were stopped. Was there contact or is that what y'all want to see...? I don't think Fred is going to have video....., I know he uses a go-pro but they are so iffy, I wouldn't count on it. Walt should have been around there and his camera is reliable and good enough quality to see up the straight a ways. T
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Post by harrisracing on Mar 8, 2010 9:06:37 GMT -6
Looking at Mylaps.com and the lap chart it appears that it was #592. Did anyone see what happened? Shane, hard to believe a Sm has the power to get the rear end loose where you were stopped. Was there contact or is that what y'all want to see...? T T, I think with the shuffling around and movement there was potential for contact, but one situation I can propose is that the lead car could have planned a wide exit out of 14 and then had to tighten up his exit on 14 due to the 944's placement, and then the 2nd place miata could have been changing his line to be on the inside of 14 on the exit and if the first car had to dive back over to the right (inside of 14) to go around the 944, the rear car could have gotten checked up and had to brake hard and maybe got loose like that. With all the caster stagger and right turn bias of those cars, it's potential they do weird things when having to check up. Boozer did this to me in the Heat race. I saw him blow 4 and and tried to keep it tight through 5 and run him down there, and he ended up getting REAL loose in 5 and I was running on him so hard that I had to check up to not hit him (he told me afterwards that he accidentally mashed the brakes when he was going for the clutch there - and I believe it). Either way changing of lines happens...and it can often change outcome of race. Patrick
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shane
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Post by shane on Mar 8, 2010 9:57:57 GMT -6
I had a good run on 308 to pass on the inside after the exit of 14. My front wheel was up to 308's rear wheel and I was about to shift to 4th gear (80+ mph). Mitch moved right and hit me knocking me into the wall. His words "I went to block you and thought I was clear, but I would have lifted if it were me in that position". That's what happened from my perspective. I would love it someone saw it or had video.
On a positive!! The best race of the season up until I learned how good a HANS works.
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Post by chris on Mar 8, 2010 10:00:28 GMT -6
Guys, Why don't you just call Shane or Mitch and get the story from the horses mouth. I think anyone who listens to their versions will come away with a better understanding of how to avoid being in a similar incident if they ever encounter the situation themselves. Everyone of us has made a mistake or will make a mistake on the racetrack, fortunately most of the time no one else gets involved.
Our type of racing is good and bad for the same reason. We have all different skill levels in all types of cars and that makes for close racing. The situation yesterday, combining the groups, magnified that statement and for the most part it turned out to be some of the closest racing we've seen all season on a whole. Sorry the incident happened, glad no one was hurt, but we all know when we strap in why we are there, what we are supposed to do and the consequences, both good and bad, that are associated with it. What we do can be dangerous and the decisions we make behind the wheel, you know the ones that we make in a split second, can be discussed on a forum for days.
As long as we have good people around us, make sure that all of our protective gear is properly in place and keep the goal of having fun first in our minds, I think we are going to be just fine!
Damn, this post is as long as if T wrote it, Sorry! Just needed to vent, thanks for your ear.
Chris
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Post by turbot on Mar 8, 2010 10:15:56 GMT -6
Shane, hard to believe a Sm has the power to get the rear end loose where you were stopped. Was there contact or is that what y'all want to see...? T T, I think with the shuffling around and movement there was potential for contact, but one situation I can propose is that the lead car could have planned a wide exit out of 14 and then had to tighten up his exit on 14 due to the 944's placement, and then the 2nd place miata could have been changing his line to be on the inside of 14 on the exit and if the first car had to dive back over to the right (inside of 14) to go around the 944, the rear car could have gotten checked up and had to brake hard and maybe got loose like that. With all the caster stagger and right turn bias of those cars, it's potential they do weird things when having to check up. Boozer did this to me in the Heat race. I saw him blow 4 and and tried to keep it tight through 5 and run him down there, and he ended up getting REAL loose in 5 and I was running on him so hard that I had to check up to not hit him (he told me afterwards that he accidentally mashed the brakes when he was going for the clutch there - and I believe it). Either way changing of lines happens...and it can often change outcome of race. Patrick I would have just thought that those guys run in such close proximity all the time that being close would be status quo. I had some reservations going in because I don't know those drivers and what they'll do as much as I know my own group but it all worked out well i think, except for the incident. I got to run with a few Miatas on the restart and had to work hard to pass them.....especially Cangelosi. I was leery about pressing to get around them with so little of the race left because to me....an opening is a quantity that I wasn't sure about since the Miatas run so close that my judgment and theirs might have varied on what is an open door or not. All worked out well though and I even pulled a considerable distance from the lead #308 Miata after the caution lineup put him just a car or two behind me. T
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Post by Fast Guys on Mar 8, 2010 11:10:19 GMT -6
How is it logged? Who received 13s?
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Post by Fast Guys on Mar 8, 2010 11:18:49 GMT -6
Also, was Mitch credited with the win? What were the standings leading into this race?
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Post by Flying Tiger on Mar 8, 2010 12:53:15 GMT -6
If memory serves, after race #5 Shane was in first place by 7 points and Mitch was in second place. Neither of them had any challenge from the remainder of the field. They were set at finishing either first or second, regardless of the outcome of race #6, even if one of them got 0 points. As it apparently turns out, Mitch should win by 3 points, with Shane second.
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Post by harrisracing on Mar 8, 2010 14:02:33 GMT -6
Dang, That's no way to end a season.
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shane
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Post by shane on Mar 8, 2010 15:06:51 GMT -6
Season ended!! Frame/unibody front clip bent over 8 in. and the rear quarters are buckled. Oh well that's racing Attachments:
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Post by Fast Guys on Mar 8, 2010 15:18:44 GMT -6
Tie one side to that concrete pole and the other to a pickup truck and start yankin'. Over pull just a little as the metal springs back when you release tension. Sorry about the wreck. It's a bummer to go out like that. You have handled it like a true gentleman. It's a shame that everyone can't be as courteous as you. Don't let this incident change that.
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