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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 4, 2010 14:43:38 GMT -6
I don't think you need to worry about it. ZZZIIIINNNNGGG!!!!!!  LOLZ X the national deficit....! I make my fair share of passes......you want references....? ;D T Cool your turbofans, buddy. It was a joke. We all know you have passed somebody. |
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Post by 944racer on Jan 4, 2010 15:26:34 GMT -6
The NASA definition is quite clear, but it is not the universal definition. SCCA's rule book is pretty vague about it, but the SCCA court of appeals has ruled pretty consistently that, although the primary responsibility for executing a safe pass lies with the driver of the overtaking car, once the overtaking car has established overlap (any amount of overlap) with the lead car there is shared responsibility and both drivers must leave each other "racing room". Following the NASA rules literally, the lead driver can chop the corner and actually cause contact but still not be found at fault as long as the overtaking car had not gotten the front wheels even with the lead car's door. By SCCA's interpretation, you only "own" the corner if you are completely clear of the trailing car. That is what I have been trying to say. Thanks. I really think we should be pushing more towards the SCCA definition than the NASA version. We don't want anyone believing that they "own" a corner because of presenting a pass. We need to give each other room and race clean. No argument there. I think we all agree that once there is any amount of overlap both racers need to allow racing room; no matter who thinks or does 'own' the corner. I've gone side by side through 4-5-6-7 and into 8 both inside and outside with different drivers. It wasn't a matter of who had the corner as much as who could create enough momentum to get ahead enough to take the dominate line forward. That's racing! BTW - T, I knew once you got into the discussion things would deteriorate rapidly ;D |
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 4, 2010 15:29:52 GMT -6
Gary, I have only run against you once or twice, but I had no complaints about you giving me room. Hopefully, I offered the same consideration. I was in the Red BMW at the time.
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Post by turbot on Jan 5, 2010 8:32:50 GMT -6
BTW - T, I knew once you got into the discussion things would deteriorate rapidly ;D Heh...., I was just trying to claim the corners ahead of time in the name of Turbo-T......, what's good for Cortez and Ponce de Leon is good enough for me....  I'm having some flags with 'T' made up right now......, they'll look nice at the first braking marker so everybody gets on the brakes reeeeaaal early... ;D T |
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Post by turbot on Jan 5, 2010 8:34:21 GMT -6
BTW G-man, try to remember to practice that track courtesy etiquette in warm-up and qualy too.... T |
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 5, 2010 8:35:38 GMT -6
BTW - T, I knew once you got into the discussion things would deteriorate rapidly ;D Heh...., I was just trying to claim the corners ahead of time in the name of Turbo-T......, what's good for Cortez and Ponce de Leon is good enough for me.... I'm having some flags with 'T' made up right now......, they'll look nice at the first braking marker so everybody gets on the brakes reeeeaaal early... ;D T What are you doing using the brakes? I would think that 4 would be the only time you guys use them? |
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Post by turbot on Jan 5, 2010 9:09:26 GMT -6
Heh...., I was just trying to claim the corners ahead of time in the name of Turbo-T......, what's good for Cortez and Ponce de Leon is good enough for me.... I'm having some flags with 'T' made up right now......, they'll look nice at the first braking marker so everybody gets on the brakes reeeeaaal early... ;D T What are you doing using the brakes? I would think that 4 would be the only time you guys use them? Where does it say anything about me using brakes anywhere....? Anyway though....let's see...., T2, T4, T8 and T10/11 is where I use 'em, unless you count tapping the brake while on WOT to cancel under steer from T11-14.... You up and running yet....? T |
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Post by Fast Guys on Jan 5, 2010 12:08:30 GMT -6
I will be absent this weekend. My bronchitis has turned into pneumonia and I am down until at least Monday. I haven't been this sick in 23 years.
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Post by 944racer on Jan 5, 2010 13:49:38 GMT -6
BTW G-man, try to remember to practice that track courtesy etiquette in warm-up and qualy too.... T I'm still in the practicing stage of patience; you caught me on a bad day. |
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